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    As I've been saying a whole new way of scouting is on the horizon;

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    As I've been saying a whole new way of scouting is on the horizon;

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    I think this will provide way more context for how fast a player plays (including how well they think / react).

    It will also reduce the gaming of the system that happens for the combine (and pro days). Where guys cut to get far below their playing weight so they run a bit faster. Or start on a particular foot / stance because they get a better time that way.

    Adding in game data to the eye test seems to me like it will be way better than the underwear olympics.

    I do wonder if this will push smaller school guys down a bit in the short term because this kind of stuff will likely be rolled out in the huge money programs first.

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    The Steelers have never had any success in taking an OT in the 1st rd. Correct me if i'm wrong. We always get our OTs from late rounds or FA. The odds (ie. Analytics) are against OT in Rd 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "BuzzNuter" View Post
    The Steelers have never had any success in taking an OT in the 1st rd. Correct me if i'm wrong. We always get our OTs from late rounds or FA. The odds (ie. Analytics) are against OT in Rd 1.
    you're right.

    Jamain Stephens was an outright bust, Tom Ricketts was a 5 year journeyman and Leon Searcy was at least serviceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "BuzzNuter" View Post
    The Steelers have never had any success in taking an OT in the 1st rd. Correct me if i'm wrong. We always get our OTs from late rounds or FA. The odds (ie. Analytics) are against OT in Rd 1.
    That's OK...stick to center in Rd 1 (Pouncey).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    That's OK...stick to center in Rd 1 (Pouncey).
    Round 2 works also (Dermontii Dawson)
    Steel Maniac's Time-Based Prediction: Lamar Jackson will be a bust and total flop in the NFL.

    What Actually Happened: Lamar Jackson became the youngest two-time NFL MVP winner ever.

    Gloat gloat gloat


    Boom........

    Hahahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel View Post
    Round 2 works also (Dermontii Dawson)
    By this logic, round 2 works better for RBs too (Bell vs. Mendenhall).

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    Don’t let past draft bust scare you from drafting a game changer.
    I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    By this logic, round 2 works better for RBs too (Bell vs. Mendenhall).
    Another non-believer (article a couple of yrs ago);

    Giants GM: Analytics saying not to draft a running back are “nonsense,” “a crock”

    Giants General Manager Dave Gettleman does not want to hear about any research saying that running backs are overvalued — especially after he spent the second overall pick in the draft on Penn State running back Saquon Barkley.

    Asked about talk that the more analytics-oriented folks in the NFL world think running backs shouldn’t be taken that high, Gettleman scoffed.

    “You know what I say about that. It is a crock. At the end of the day, a great player is a great player. He is a touchdown maker. He is a threat to take it to the house every time he gets his hands on the ball,” Gettleman said. “I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it is someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever. Jonathan Stewart is in his 10th year and he has not lost anything. I don’t believe in that. I don’t care who you take, they can all get hurt.”

    It’s true that any NFL player can get hurt, but that doesn’t mean players at some positions don’t suffer career-affecting injuries at higher rates than players at other positions. And as for saying Jonathan Stewart is in his 10th year has has not lost anything, well, Stewart averaged a career-low 3.4 yards a carry last year at age 30.

    So there are legitimate reasons that many people have soured on using high draft picks on running backs. Gettleman just has to hope Barkley develops into an All-Pro player.....

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    I actually think Leon Searcy was more the serviceable. He was a RT and got signed by te Jags as they had a LH quarteback and needed his blindside protected. I hated to see him go.

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