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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    Meh

    All were drafted late in the hope they'd be competent back ups. And three of them probably fit that bill to some extent.

    And Dobbs we flipped into a pick and then got back anyway.

    It's hard to draft QBs.
    Exactly. The point I was making is another poster was saying cowhers picking tee Martin and passing on brees was atrocious but doesn’t want to accept that Tomlin drafted numerous bums and passed on a lot more studs than cowhers did.
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    I'll remind you again that between about 2010 and 2016 the college ranks were hardly cranking out NFL caliber QBs. A 'good' draft might have had maybe one, maybe two QBs as franchise potential. Check 2013 for example...yikes!
    And given their draft position during this time, the Steelers had little chance to grab one that could make a difference:

    Year; #; Rd ; Pick; Player #; Name; Team; School

    2016 1 1 1 1 Jared Goff Rams California
    2 1 2 2 Carson Wentz Eagles North Dakota State
    3 1 26 26 Paxton Lynch Broncos Memphis
    4 2 20 51 Christian Hackenberg Jets Penn State
    5 3 29 91 Jacoby Brissett Patriots North Carolina State
    6 3 31 93 Cody Kessler Browns USC
    7 4 2 100 Connor Cook Raiders Michigan State
    8 4 37 135 Dak Prescott Cowboys Mississippi State
    9 4 41 139 Cardale Jones Bills Ohio State
    10 5 25 162 Kevin Hogan Chiefs Stanford
    11 6 12 187 Nate Sudfeld Redskins Indiana
    12 6 16 191 Jake Rudock Lions Michigan
    13 6 26 201 Brandon Allen Jaguars Arkansas
    14 6 32 207 Jeff Driskel 49ers Louisiana Tech
    15 7 2 223 Brandon Doughty Dolphins Western Kentucky

    2015 1 1 1 1 Jameis Winston Buccaneers Florida State
    2 1 2 2 Marcus Mariota Titans Oregon
    3 3 11 75 Garrett Grayson Saints Colorado State
    4 3 25 89 Sean Mannion Rams Oregon State
    5 4 4 103 Bryce Petty Jets Baylor
    6 5 11 147 Brett Hundley Packers UCLA
    7 7 33 250 Trevor Siemian Broncos Northwestern

    2014 1 1 3 3 Blake Bortles Jaguars Central Florida
    2 1 22 22 Johnny Manziel Browns Texas A&M
    3 1 32 32 Teddy Bridgewater Vikings Louisville
    4 2 4 36 Derek Carr Raiders Fresno State
    5 2 30 62 Jimmy Garoppolo Patriots Eastern Illinois
    6 4 20 120 Logan Thomas Cardinals Virginia Tech
    7 4 35 135 Tom Savage Texans Pittsburgh
    8 5 23 163 Aaron Murray Chiefs Georgia
    9 5 24 164 AJ McCarron Bengals Alabama
    10 6 2 178 Zach Mettenberger Titans Louisiana State
    11 6 7 183 David Fales Bears San Jose State
    12 6 18 194 Keith Wenning Ravens Ball State
    13 6 37 213 Tajh Boyd Jets Clemson
    14 6 38 214 Garrett Gilbert Rams Southern Methodist

    2013 1 1 16 16 EJ Manuel Bills Florida State
    2 2 7 39 Geno Smith Jets West Virginia
    3 3 11 73 Mike Glennon Buccaneers North Carolina State
    4 4 1 98 Matt Barkley Eagles USC
    5 4 13 110 Ryan Nassib Giants Syracuse
    6 4 15 112 Tyler Wilson Raiders Arkansas
    7 4 18 115 Landry Jones Steelers Oklahoma
    8 7 15 221 Brad Sorensen Chargers Southern Utah
    9 7 28 234 Zac Dysert Broncos Miami (OH)
    10 7 31 237 B.J. Daniels 49ers South Florida
    11 7 43 249 Sean Renfree Falcons Duke

    2012 1 1 1 1 Andrew Luck Colts Stanford
    2 1 2 2 Robert Griffin Redskins Baylor
    3 1 8 8 Ryan Tannehill Dolphins Texas A&M
    4 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden Browns Oklahoma State
    5 2 25 57 Brock Osweiler Broncos Arizona State
    6 3 12 75 Russell Wilson Seahawks Wisconsin
    7 3 25 88 Nick Foles Eagles Arizona
    8 4 7 102 Kirk Cousins Redskins Michigan State
    9 6 15 185 Ryan Lindley Cardinals San Diego State
    10 7 36 243 B.J. Coleman Packers Tennessee-Chattanooga
    11 7 46 253 Chandler Harnish Colts Northern Illinois

    2011s 1 3 0 0 Terrelle Pryor Raiders Ohio State

    2011 1 1 1 1 Cam Newton Panthers Auburn
    2 1 8 8 Jake Locker Titans Washington
    3 1 10 10 Blaine Gabbert Jaguars Missouri
    4 1 12 12 Christian Ponder Vikings Florida State
    5 2 3 35 Andy Dalton Bengals Texas Christian
    6 2 4 36 Colin Kaepernick 49ers Nevada
    7 3 10 74 Ryan Mallett Patriots Arkansas
    8 5 4 135 Ricky Stanzi Chiefs Iowa
    9 5 21 152 T.J. Yates Texans North Carolina
    10 5 29 160 Nathan Enderle Bears Idaho
    11 6 15 180 Tyrod Taylor Ravens Virginia Tech
    12 7 5 208 Greg McElroy Jets Alabama

    2010 1 1 1 1 Sam Bradford Rams Oklahoma
    2 1 25 25 Tim Tebow Broncos Florida
    3 2 16 48 Jimmy Clausen Panthers Notre Dame
    4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy Browns Texas
    5 4 24 122 Mike Kafka Eagles Northwestern
    6 5 24 155 John Skelton Cardinals Fordham
    7 5 37 168 Jonathan Crompton Chargers Tennessee
    8 6 7 176 Rusty Smith Titans Florida Atlantic
    9 6 12 181 Dan LeFevour Bears Central Michigan
    10 6 30 199 Joe Webb Vikings Alabama-Birmingham
    11 6 35 204 Tony Pike Panthers Cincinnati
    12 7 2 209 Levi Brown Bills Troy
    13 7 32 239 Sean Canfield Saints Oregon State
    14 7 43 250 Zac Robinson Patriots Oklahoma State

    Nice .
    Once again. There have been more quality qbs in tomlins era than cowhers.
    Update:
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and now 50% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Exactly. The point I was making is another poster was saying cowhers picking tee Martin and passing on brees was atrocious
    you're easily confused I see.
    1.24 Najee Harris RB Alabama / Travis Etienne RB Clemson
    2.55 Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma / Landon Dickerson C Alabama / Quinn Meinerz C Wisconsin-Whitewater
    3.87 Spencer Brown OT N Iowa / James Hudson OT Cincinnati / Stone Forsythe OT Florida
    4.128 Robert Rochell CB Central Arkansas / Kary Vincent Jr CB LSU
    4.140 Patrick Jones II OLB Pitt
    6.216 Tre' McKitty TE Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Nice .
    Once again. There have been more quality qbs in tomlins era than cowhers.
    I guess you continue to struggle with facts....maybe this will help; 8 of the top 10 QB classes were in the Cowher era including the #1 class of all time (and Cowher wasn't a buyer).
    https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/galler...ranking-060517

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    Isn’t this a JJ Watt thread? Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBucks View Post
    Isn’t this a JJ Watt thread? Carry on...
    1.24 Najee Harris RB Alabama / Travis Etienne RB Clemson
    2.55 Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma / Landon Dickerson C Alabama / Quinn Meinerz C Wisconsin-Whitewater
    3.87 Spencer Brown OT N Iowa / James Hudson OT Cincinnati / Stone Forsythe OT Florida
    4.128 Robert Rochell CB Central Arkansas / Kary Vincent Jr CB LSU
    4.140 Patrick Jones II OLB Pitt
    6.216 Tre' McKitty TE Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Lol.... so you are telling me cowhers drafted tee Martin to be a franchise qb?
    Anyone who says this is very wrong IMO.

    He was a flier that they hoped panned out.

    I don't think BC thought you needed a QB that was all that great.

    An OK guy was able to be successful to very successful with a great D and a rushing attack that gets 3.5 YPC consistently.

    I think that's the Cowher / Marty strategy.

    And it was a very good strategy in the 90s when you were still allowed to play very physical defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Exactly. The point I was making is another poster was saying cowhers picking tee Martin and passing on brees was atrocious but doesn’t want to accept that Tomlin drafted numerous bums and passed on a lot more studs than cowhers did.
    Yep.

    It would have been nice if we picked Brady instead of Martin. But no one in the NFL thought Brady would be 1/10th of what he turned out to be.

    I think drafting is like being forced to pick individual stocks. Pretty random. And you credit your intelligence when it works, and bad luck when it doesn't.

    Unfortunately, there's no index fund equivalent in the draft. So, you do what you can and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    Anyone who says this is very wrong IMO.

    He was a flier that they hoped panned out.

    I don't think BC thought you needed a QB that was all that great.

    An OK guy was able to be successful to very successful with a great D and a rushing attack that gets 3.5 YPC consistently.

    I think that's the Cowher / Marty strategy.

    And it was a very good strategy in the 90s when you were still allowed to play very physical defense.
    It's probably still a good strategy provided that you're QB ~ average and on a rookie deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Lol.... so you are telling me cowhers drafted tee Martin to be a franchise qb?
    no, because Cowher never wanted a franchise QB. his plan was to win with a good ground game and defense.

    it was Cowher's achilles heel, probably why he never won a Super Bowl until a franchise QB was forced on him.
    1.24 Najee Harris RB Alabama / Travis Etienne RB Clemson
    2.55 Creed Humphrey C Oklahoma / Landon Dickerson C Alabama / Quinn Meinerz C Wisconsin-Whitewater
    3.87 Spencer Brown OT N Iowa / James Hudson OT Cincinnati / Stone Forsythe OT Florida
    4.128 Robert Rochell CB Central Arkansas / Kary Vincent Jr CB LSU
    4.140 Patrick Jones II OLB Pitt
    6.216 Tre' McKitty TE Georgia

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