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    Offensive Trending; Better or Worser?

    Eye tests are OK but let's look objectively on whether the Steelers are actually getting offensively better or worse;

    Based on success rate here are the ranks for the Steelers overall season and for wks 5 - 8:
    (Success= 40% of yds to go on first down, 60% on second down, and 100% on 3rd and 4th down; the argument for success rate is that it is a better measure of consistency since it discounts explosive plays that can skew yardage metrics; Explosive passing = 20yds or greater; explosive rush = 10 yds or greater)

    Rank (success rate) Overall Wks 5-8 Rank (rate)

    Passing 21st (47%) 18th (48%)
    Rushing 24th (48%) 17th (50%)

    Explosive:

    Passing 24th (7%) 22nd (7%)
    Rushing 26th (10%) 29th (6%)


    So there is some modest improvement offensively based on success rate, but the Steelers have become somewhat less explosive. As we've all seen, this is especially true for the running game. (My guess is that once the numbers are updated with Dallas data, the rushing rank will take a pretty hard hit.)

    btw, the CIN trends:

    Passing Rank Overall Wks 5- 8

    16th (49%) 11th (51%)

    Rushing

    12th (52%) 26th (47%)


    Took at look at CIN explosive ranks and their passing game has made some big gains, but explosive rushing is bottom of the barrel.

    There are some other interesting things on CIN I'll share later (one in particular doesn't bode well for the Steelers).
    Last edited by NorthCoast; 11-11-2020 at 12:46 PM.

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    Once again, the team that is "all about running the ball" can't do it.

    The 8-0, undefeated Steelers are near dead last in rushing yards. They have rushed for 872 yds. OK? Who is worse? The likes of.......

    https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats...g/2020/reg/all

    Texans - 701
    Jags 791.
    Jets - 890.
    Lions - 809.

    Yes, those would be among the very worst teams in the NFL. Who rushes the ball better? Well, that's a long list.

    Browns - 1200.
    Cards - 1303.
    GB - 1013.
    Ravens - 1361.
    MN - 1233.

    Our 4 ypc is lower than all but 8 teams.

    Oh wait, we're 8-0, who cares? Well, if you aspire a 7th ring, you should. It is increasingly looking like we are built on a house of cards. You got to rush the ball better than that to advance deep in the playoffs, with only a few exceptions.

    I've been screaming for years that they overvalue Conner because, my gosh, he's from W PA and went to Pitt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! I hoped the less-than-high-priority draft picks of Snell and McFarland would do the trick. But it's becoming increasingly-obvious that we lack the horses to really get it done. Is there room to blame on the OL and play-calling? Possibly. Is it situational football causing our weak rushing? Somewhat, as we are often behind. But if we had a more effective rush, would we be behind so much? Think about it.

    If we don't fix our rushing game, we won't be hoisting that Lombardi in Feb. That's the truth.

    Passing game? We have no deep threat at this point. But I've ranted enough at this point.

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    I think we've been successful spreading things out and having Ben find the open man.

    I would like it if we were more successful in other sets as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    Once again, the team that is "all about running the ball" can't do it.

    If we don't fix our rushing game, we won't be hoisting that Lombardi in Feb. That's the truth.
    two weeks ago against the Ravens we rushed 16 times for 48 yds (3.0 avg)

    last week we rushed 18 times for 46 yds (2.6 avg) against Dallas' poor run defense and couldn't get one yard at a crucial point in the game.

    we definitely have to improve in this area or you're right, we won't go deep in the playoffs.
    We're 10-0 Baby!!!!!!!!!!

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    I don't expect the Steelers run game to improve unless the Oline blocks better. The offense is designed around Ben. Ben holds a substantial amount of power in the Steelers offensive philosophy. It is what it is. We are going to ride or die with how Ben performs.

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    Here is how I look at or offense:
    Ben's qbr is in the 130's when we don't huddle up.
    Ben's qbr is only in the mid 90 when we do.
    Ben's ability to get us into favorable plays ( ie: 5-6 in the box we run, 7 or more we put it up.
    O line 's ability is the key. Give Ben 3.0 we're vg. Get a bow in the run game n stay away from penalties we should score high 20's n that should be enough to win with our D.
    To me it doesn't matter if we run it 40 times or 4 times it only matters how productive we are. Dallas stacked the box a bunch n we had a hard time getting the ground game going . So be it. No reason to stick a square peg in round hole adjust n move the ball. We have wr's who can win 1 on 1's so if that's what's needed spread them out n toss it 50x if that's what the defense is giving us. We are fortunate we have 4 wr's who can separate and most teams do not have 4 solid corners.
    Ebron n Vance have played ok but have not run blocked even average imho. Here is an area where in the 2nd half we'll need to get some better production out of them in the run game. Hawkins has been in for extra blocking on occasion but that tips our hand to much imho. A definite area that could use improvement.
    Overall Ben has been $$$ and that makes up for some areas of so so play. No reason to believe Claypool won't continue to develop. He could be counted on even more in the 2nd half of the season as he gains experience since he is doing well without the reps he would have gotten in a training camp.
    Go up tempo n call the plays at the los and our O should be just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron City Inc. View Post
    Here is how I look at or offense:
    Ben's qbr is in the 130's when we don't huddle up.
    Ben's qbr is only in the mid 90 when we do.
    Ben's ability to get us into favorable plays ( ie: 5-6 in the box we run, 7 or more we put it up.
    O line 's ability is the key. Give Ben 3.0 we're vg. Get a bow in the run game n stay away from penalties we should score high 20's n that should be enough to win with our D.
    To me it doesn't matter if we run it 40 times or 4 times it only matters how productive we are. Dallas stacked the box a bunch n we had a hard time getting the ground game going . So be it. No reason to stick a square peg in round hole adjust n move the ball. We have wr's who can win 1 on 1's so if that's what's needed spread them out n toss it 50x if that's what the defense is giving us. We are fortunate we have 4 wr's who can separate and most teams do not have 4 solid corners.
    Ebron n Vance have played ok but have not run blocked even average imho. Here is an area where in the 2nd half we'll need to get some better production out of them in the run game. Hawkins has been in for extra blocking on occasion but that tips our hand to much imho. A definite area that could use improvement.
    Overall Ben has been $$$ and that makes up for some areas of so so play. No reason to believe Claypool won't continue to develop. He could be counted on even more in the 2nd half of the season as he gains experience since he is doing well without the reps he would have gotten in a training camp.
    Go up tempo n call the plays at the los and our O should be just fine.
    So are you saying don't fix what ain't broken? I don't recall a SB winner that has been lopsided offensively. The Steelers needed to figure out what ails the run game. The stats back up what we are seeing; they are below average in the 1st and 3rd quarters in rushing. They modestly improve in the 2nd and 4th. The 2nd quarter also happens to be the highest pass/run ratio. Offensively passing is setting up the run and they need to continue that theme in the rest of the game. Completely abandoning the run will not be successful in the playoffs and maybe even later in season as the weather turns bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    I don't expect the Steelers run game to improve unless the Oline blocks better. The offense is designed around Ben. Ben holds a substantial amount of power in the Steelers offensive philosophy. It is what it is. We are going to ride or die with how Ben performs.
    That's been true almost all of Ben's career, but damn it, a decent run attact would me the O so much better, all around. If you can't run, the LBs and safeties muck up the passing game. Safeties can double WRs going deep. (We've seen this over and over this season, and partly explains why we have no deep game. How many times have you seen Ben throw deep but there is double coverage out there? A lot.) LBs can drop back (or are already back) and take away the crossing routes and slants.

    It is a problem. Can you imagine if we had a horse like Henry back there, ready to abuse a D? It would open up everything. Heck, OK, even if not a Henri, how about a Cook, a Chubb etc?

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    Why the Steelers Perfect Record Doesn’t Mean They’re Super Bowl Bound

    https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/st...s-offense-2020
    We're 10-0 Baby!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    That's been true almost all of Ben's career, but damn it, a decent run attact would me the O so much better, all around. If you can't run, the LBs and safeties muck up the passing game. Safeties can double WRs going deep. (We've seen this over and over this season, and partly explains why we have no deep game. How many times have you seen Ben throw deep but there is double coverage out there? A lot.) LBs can drop back (or are already back) and take away the crossing routes and slants.

    It is a problem. Can you imagine if we had a horse like Henry back there, ready to abuse a D? It would open up everything. Heck, OK, even if not a Henri, how about a Cook, a Chubb etc?
    I think it's kind of like the issue with Marino and one reason why he didn't win any championships. The Phins were designed so heavily around Marino on offense that when he didn't play well they were f***.

    The Steelers do have a quality defense that can rush the passer, create turnovers, keep games close, and make plays.

    At this point it's probably to late to have wholesale offensive changes. Teams cannot even practice properly and have proper meetings consistently with the COVID quarantine issues at times. The Oline doesn't appear to be a unit that's geared towards blowing people off the ball consistently. They seem to be more geared towards pass blocking to protect Ben.

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