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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    It's obviously a super grim topic, but this is a good visualization of the data.

    It might also be interesting if they could plot it not as deaths but as death rate (maybe per year).

    The plague dwarfs everything, but the global population at that point was also much smaller than today (?).

    And going per year would also highlight that the black plague numbers are over 4 years where AIDS is counted over 40 years (and small pox must be counted over a long period of time here too). That's not to diminish the impact of AIDS or small pox, but to highlight how ****ing terrible the plague must have been to live through.
    It's like a Thanos "snap" to the population of Europe...dragged out over several years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    But ask yourself where it came from.
    I asked and I don't know.

    I think this is what gets us off the rails. Thinking we can know things that are unknowable.

    Someone can research and follow the bread crumbs backward to come up with a theory. And I don't mean can read article and watch online videos which usually give us the false sense of knowing anything.

    But when someone does the best they can following the bread crumbs, do we trust them? Or do we assume they have an ulterior motive to mislead us.

    We live in a weird time where we often get instant access to information which can include scientific research. But we often learn things before they are peer reviewed and vetted. And then we get opinions on stuff before it's validated. And the opinions get twisted into facts and go awry. Then we assume everyone is lying to us and we're back to having to ask ourselves what we think. And to some degree, even though we're asking ourselves unknowable questions, there's probably as good a chance of our own stupid intuition being as trust worthy as any science/news/etc. Or so we think. And then we pass our time looking for others to validate our own views (guesses/conspiracies).

    And kids are growing up in this environment with an attention span of a tweet and seeing leaders in our world acting out these worst tendencies and trusting their gut over science and constantly looking for self validation.

    In a way, it's un American. Trusting our opinions over real science would be like accepting someone is guilt until proven innocent.

    But we got into the whirlwind mess because we can't trust anyone. The crazy part is we didn't take an illogical path to getting here. We're trending toward being a nation of narcissists. And I don't think it was even anyone's intent. We're getting dragged down this path unknowingly. And it's almost as if stupidity (or I should call it ignorance because we don't know any better) is our new addiction.

    And on some level it's totally rational given the world around us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I asked and I don't know.

    I think this is what gets us off the rails. Thinking we can know things that are unknowable.

    Someone can research and follow the bread crumbs backward to come up with a theory. And I don't mean can read article and watch online videos which usually give us the false sense of knowing anything.

    But when someone does the best they can following the bread crumbs, do we trust them? Or do we assume they have an ulterior motive to mislead us.

    We live in a weird time where we often get instant access to information which can include scientific research. But we often learn things before they are peer reviewed and vetted. And then we get opinions on stuff before it's validated. And the opinions get twisted into facts and go awry. Then we assume everyone is lying to us and we're back to having to ask ourselves what we think. And to some degree, even though we're asking ourselves unknowable questions, there's probably as good a chance of our own stupid intuition being as trust worthy as any science/news/etc. Or so we think. And then we pass our time looking for others to validate our own views (guesses/conspiracies).

    And kids are growing up in this environment with an attention span of a tweet and seeing leaders in our world acting out these worst tendencies and trusting their gut over science and constantly looking for self validation.

    In a way, it's un American. Trusting our opinions over real science would be like accepting someone is guilt until proven innocent.

    But we got into the whirlwind mess because we can't trust anyone. The crazy part is we didn't take an illogical path to getting here. We're trending toward being a nation of narcissists. And I don't think it was even anyone's intent. We're getting dragged down this path unknowingly. And it's almost as if stupidity (or I should call it ignorance because we don't know any better) is our new addiction.

    And on some level it's totally rational given the world around us.
    You're a wise man Flippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eich View Post
    You're a wise man Flippy.
    Or a complete idiot...it's a fine line

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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    All people need to do is look at history. Mother nature can be the ultimate biological weapon. It's a good chance that we are going to face a more lethal pandemic in the future.
    I've said this many times. When something like ebola is as contagious as covid it's Armageddon. This is not a matter of if but when. Only the prepared will survive. Many people have seen a virus like this one coming not just Bill Gates. But, this is just mother natures "slap on the wrist" compared to what can and likely will happen down the road. Just hope its centuries away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I asked and I don't know.

    I think this is what gets us off the rails. Thinking we can know things that are unknowable.

    Someone can research and follow the bread crumbs backward to come up with a theory. And I don't mean can read article and watch online videos which usually give us the false sense of knowing anything.

    But when someone does the best they can following the bread crumbs, do we trust them? Or do we assume they have an ulterior motive to mislead us.

    We live in a weird time where we often get instant access to information which can include scientific research. But we often learn things before they are peer reviewed and vetted. And then we get opinions on stuff before it's validated. And the opinions get twisted into facts and go awry. Then we assume everyone is lying to us and we're back to having to ask ourselves what we think. And to some degree, even though we're asking ourselves unknowable questions, there's probably as good a chance of our own stupid intuition being as trust worthy as any science/news/etc. Or so we think. And then we pass our time looking for others to validate our own views (guesses/conspiracies).

    And kids are growing up in this environment with an attention span of a tweet and seeing leaders in our world acting out these worst tendencies and trusting their gut over science and constantly looking for self validation.

    In a way, it's un American. Trusting our opinions over real science would be like accepting someone is guilt until proven innocent.

    But we got into the whirlwind mess because we can't trust anyone. The crazy part is we didn't take an illogical path to getting here. We're trending toward being a nation of narcissists. And I don't think it was even anyone's intent. We're getting dragged down this path unknowingly. And it's almost as if stupidity (or I should call it ignorance because we don't know any better) is our new addiction.

    And on some level it's totally rational given the world around us.
    That might be your best post since I have been posting with you. And I agree with that term nation of narcissists. It was truly inevitable based on denying some fundamentals of our evolution. We are a tribal creature. We need the tribe for mental health and back in the day for physical safety. Why do you think rejection stings? Rejection from the tribe meant death. We live in a society were face to face friendships are less and less common. People are trading fake cyber intimacy and validation over real relationship. We have become a little island all unto our own. It's led to many social ills and axis 2 issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I've said this many times. When something like ebola is as contagious as covid it's Armageddon. This is not a matter of if but when. Only the prepared will survive. Many people have seen a virus like this one coming not just Bill Gates. But, this is just mother natures "slap on the wrist" compared to what can and likely will happen down the road. Just hope its centuries away.
    I had this conversation with someone today. In the grand scheme of pandemics, we're lucky with how survivable COVID is. It sucks and it is deadly to many but it could be so much worse. I pray that we learn something from the mistakes that are being made in dealing with this one. It pisses me off to no end that our current POTUS has decided to deal with the issues by denying they exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I've said this many times. When something like ebola is as contagious as covid it's Armageddon. This is not a matter of if but when. Only the prepared will survive. Many people have seen a virus like this one coming not just Bill Gates. But, this is just mother natures "slap on the wrist" compared to what can and likely will happen down the road. Just hope its centuries away.
    Look what happened to the aliens in H.G. Well's tome. The smallest, most inconsequential entity on the planet will be the undoing of the most advance being. UNLESS, that asteroid that's lurking out there finally decides to descend on us before the virus hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I've said this many times. When something like ebola is as contagious as covid it's Armageddon. This is not a matter of if but when. Only the prepared will survive. Many people have seen a virus like this one coming not just Bill Gates. But, this is just mother natures "slap on the wrist" compared to what can and likely will happen down the road. Just hope its centuries away.
    What are we going to do when cold and flu season arrives? Arrmagedeen might be on the horizan for the health care systems in America.

    I don't know how we can send children back to school when testing isn't up to par yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Look what happened to the aliens in H.G. Well's tome. The smallest, most inconsequential entity on the planet will be the undoing of the most advance being. UNLESS, that asteroid that's lurking out there finally decides to descend on us before the virus hits.
    Humans don't need help. We are in the 6th mass extinction brought on by human actions. We are the only species hell bent on destroying ourselves and most life as we know it.

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