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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    It was just one example, you know what I mean. JH is just trying to stir the pot a little, it's his career now. We sure didn't mind him when he was the best D player in the NFL.
    of course not.. why would we
    mind a player being good on the field for us?

    it’s after they stop being a player for us and start trashing our team that we have an issue with them

    Would you ask why a guy hates his ex after she cheated on him and now dates one of his enemies?
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    The critiques around Tomlin (and there are many) all revolve in his ability to coach. I have not once, not ever heard anyone on the team or within the NFL criticize him for policies that are detrimental to the league or the game itself. I can only think of the one time he was fined for standing on the field during a kick return. Even if the substance of JH's accusation is true and we infer Tomlin gave him an envelope with some cash - the hit was legal, it wasn't flagged, the NFL sold pictures of it online and it fits right within the narrative of a players coach looking out for his guys when they did exactly as they were taught and expected to do. there is also zero evidence or any other player suggesting tomlin would engage in such behavior such as bounty gate.

    Speaking of bounty gate - there is also ample evidence, additional player testimony and incidents from their past that while in and of themself don't have anything to do with bounty gate, demonstrate a lack of giving a crap about players, player safety and their jobs. Payton was a replacement player during the strike in the mid 80's for crying out loud. Greg Williams has a horrible reputation within the league for crap like that.

    There is simply no comparison between the two events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    of course not.. why would we
    mind a player being good on the field for us?

    itís after they stop being a player for us and start trashing our team that we have an issue with them

    Would you ask why a guy hates his ex after she cheated on him and now dates one of his enemies?
    On the mark!!!! Trash the team that gave you your career and you are the trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlifter View Post
    The critiques around Tomlin (and there are many) all revolve in his ability to coach. I have not once, not ever heard anyone on the team or within the NFL criticize him for policies that are detrimental to the league or the game itself. I can only think of the one time he was fined for standing on the field during a kick return. Even if the substance of JH's accusation is true and we infer Tomlin gave him an envelope with some cash - the hit was legal, it wasn't flagged, the NFL sold pictures of it online and it fits right within the narrative of a players coach looking out for his guys when they did exactly as they were taught and expected to do. there is also zero evidence or any other player suggesting tomlin would engage in such behavior such as bounty gate.

    Speaking of bounty gate - there is also ample evidence, additional player testimony and incidents from their past that while in and of themself don't have anything to do with bounty gate, demonstrate a lack of giving a crap about players, player safety and their jobs. Payton was a replacement player during the strike in the mid 80's for crying out loud. Greg Williams has a horrible reputation within the league for crap like that.

    There is simply no comparison between the two events.
    I will never care for Goodall because the way he went after us relentlessly with bogus fines for hits that were not illegal. He went after our entire organization. Screw Goodall.
    From the 2010-2019 season, (A 9 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks.
    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the 70ís...

    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2020 ) holding on to Tomlin for what he did in 2008.

    [url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/50121-A-Positive-View-of-they-Draft/page17[/url]

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    of course not.. why would we
    mind a player being good on the field for us?

    it’s after they stop being a player for us and start trashing our team that we have an issue with them

    Would you ask why a guy hates his ex after she cheated on him and now dates one of his enemies?
    Good? Good? In his day, JH was the best defensive player in the history of the team.

    And I've heard him praise the team many times on a high level. You're just extra sensitive if he just speaks the truth if it's not 100% cotton candy floating in the sky. JH just speaks the truth - that's what's in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    I will never care for Goodall because the way he went after us relentlessly with bogus fines for hits that were not illegal. He went after our entire organization. Screw Goodall.
    Be mad at Rooney. He allowed to this to happen. He also supported the Patriots cheating and destroyed evidence.
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and 25% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    I will never care for Goodall because the way he went after us relentlessly with bogus fines for hits that were not illegal. He went after our entire organization. Screw Goodall.
    People act like Roger calls the shots - that's insane. He works directly (gets paid by) the owners. All his moves are created/decided by those who pay his gigantic salary. He doesn't work for anyone else - not the fans or the players or the coaches. He only cares about serving those who pay him. The owners saw (and still see) major, major lawsuits coming up for concussions. That was a "CYA" move. Since Pgh was the model of "physical play" they were targeted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whisper View Post
    People act like Roger calls the shots - that's insane. He works directly (gets paid by) the owners. All his moves are created/decided by those who pay his gigantic salary. He doesn't work for anyone else - not the fans or the players or the coaches. He only cares about serving those who pay him. The owners saw (and still see) major, major lawsuits coming up for concussions. That was a "CYA" move. Since Pgh was the model of "physical play" they were targeted.
    Doesn't make it right thou. And yeah, he works for the owners. Until it's something about the Patriots then he (who supposedly works for all the owners) destroys evidence (tapes), Kraft doesn't get fined for message parlor incident. Yeah, he works for all the owners until it's the Patriots involved in some crap.
    From the 2010-2019 season, (A 9 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks.
    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the 70ís...

    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2020 ) holding on to Tomlin for what he did in 2008.

    [url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/50121-A-Positive-View-of-they-Draft/page17[/url]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Doesn't make it right thou. And yeah, he works for the owners. Until it's something about the Patriots then he (who supposedly works for all the owners) destroys evidence (tapes), Kraft doesn't get fined for message parlor incident. Yeah, he works for all the owners until it's the Patriots involved in some crap.
    Pat's did get hammered a few times.
    Kraft doesn't deserve any fines or suspension.
    Again, Rooney supported/ suggested/spearheaded destroying evidence.
    He chose his bank account over his coaches, players and fans.
    In the last decade, 25% of the league has won a super bowl(the Steelers aren't one of them) and 25% have as many or more playoff wins as the Steelers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Pat's did get hammered a few times.
    Kraft doesn't deserve any fines or suspension.
    Again, Rooney supported/ suggested/spearheaded destroying evidence.
    He chose his bank account over his coaches, players and fans.
    How do you know for a fact that Rooney supported/suggested/spearheaded destroying evidence? That's a heck of an accusation.
    From the 2010-2019 season, (A 9 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks.
    Dolphin fans in the 90ís who wanted to hold on to Don Shula for what he did in the 70ís...

    Are the same as Steeler fans (of 2020 ) holding on to Tomlin for what he did in 2008.

    [url]http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/50121-A-Positive-View-of-they-Draft/page17[/url]

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