A Positive View of they Draft

[feltdizz]

And completions. And Attempts. He also had more than twice as many TD's (34) as Int's (16).

what was our record in 2018? 9-6-1.

passing yards don’t really mean much without the wins. Just means we were playing from behind a lot.

Didn't lead the NFL in passing yards last year?

Top 5 passers last year all missed the playoffs. It’s not a good stat for winning.

[Sugar]

what was our record in 2018? 9-6-1.

passing yards don’t really mean much without the wins. Just means we were playing from behind a lot.

Didn't lead the NFL in passing yards last year?

Top 5 passers last year all missed the playoffs. It’s not a good stat for winning.

Agreed. I was just pointing out that Ben led in a variety of categories after it was pointed out that he led in INT's.

[hawaiiansteel]

Agreed. I was just pointing out that Ben led in a variety of categories after it was pointed out that he led in INT's.

true, but the many interceptions is yet another reason why passing too much doesn't lead to winning.

hopefully we will be much more balanced offensively this season.

[Northern_Blitz]

what was our record in 2018? 9-6-1.

passing yards don’t really mean much without the wins. Just means we were playing from behind a lot.

Didn't lead the NFL in passing yards last year?

Top 5 passers last year all missed the playoffs. It’s not a good stat for winning.

I think it means more than we were playing from behind.

2 years ago we went with an offensive philosophy that short passes were basically the same as runs.

That's also why Ben's average completed air yards was one of the lowest in the league IIRC.

[NJ-STEELER]

what was our record in 2018? 9-6-1.

passing yards don’t really mean much without the wins. Just means we were playing from behind a lot.

Didn't lead the NFL in passing yards last year?

Top 5 passers last year all missed the playoffs. It’s not a good stat for winning.

what games were we playing behind from “ a lot” ?

9 wins

1 loss after a big lead at halftime vs. san Diego.

a tie after they tried running clock up 2 TDS with approximately seven Minutes left

that’s 11 wins if the defense/refs don’t crumble vs SD
and Conner has 2 hands on the ball n the opener

[Captain Lemming]

what games were we playing behind from “ a lot” ?

9 wins

1 loss after a big lead at halftime vs. san Diego.

a tie after they tried running clock up 2 TDS with approximately seven Minutes left

that’s 11 wins if the defense/refs don’t crumble vs SD
and Conner has 2 hands on the ball n the opener

You can't argue your case by cherry picking a few games. There are clear patterns that support Dizz's point

What Dizz said is fact.
Numbers don't lie.

Top 3 games in attempts and yards ALL losses.
Ben's play was OUTSTANDING in 2 of the three games and we still lost.

Denver, KC, NO, the only games we threw 380 plus yards, all losses

Additionally, we were undefeated in our 4 lowest pass yardage games.

The LOWEST passing yardage game of that entire season?

A rare victory against the eventual championship Patriots, their last loss of the season.

[feltdizz]

You can't argue your case by cherry picking a few games. There are clear patterns that support Dizz's point

What Dizz said is fact.
Numbers don't lie.

Top 3 games in attempts and yards ALL losses.
Ben's play was OUTSTANDING in 2 of the three games and we still lost.

Denver, KC, NO, the only games we threw 380 plus yards, all losses

Additionally, we were undefeated in our 4 lowest pass yardage games.

The LOWEST passing yardage game of that entire season?

A rare victory against the eventual championship Patriots, their last loss of the season.

I’ll be honest, I had no desire to back and review my theory. I was just using patterns we’ve seen over the years when it comes to most passing yards and wins and losses.

[NJ-STEELER]

You can't argue your case by cherry picking a few games. There are clear patterns that support Dizz's point

What Dizz said is fact.
Numbers don't lie.

Top 3 games in attempts and yards ALL losses.
Ben's play was OUTSTANDING in 2 of the three games and we still lost.

Denver, KC, NO, the only games we threw 380 plus yards, all losses

Additionally, we were undefeated in our 4 lowest pass yardage games.

The LOWEST passing yardage game of that entire season?

A rare victory against the eventual championship Patriots, their last loss of the season.

the inference was that he threw fir a lot of yards because we were playing from behind “ a lot”

Yes. The KC Game they were down 3-4 TDS in the first qr . So they were in catch up mode there.

New Orleans was a back and forth game. Again in position for a win of not for a turnover of downs on a 4th and 2 run and a late fumble by juju

some of you act like we lost cause of the passing game.
the reason why it was even close was because of the passing game.
it was a strength of the offense and the team.

[Captain Lemming]

the inference was that he threw fir a lot of yards because we were playing from behind “ a lot”

Yes. The KC Game they were down 3-4 TDS in the first qr . So they were in catch up mode there.

New Orleans was a back and forth game. Again in position for a win of not for a turnover of downs on a 4th and 2 run and a late fumble by juju

some of you act like we lost cause of the passing game.
the reason why it was even close was because of the passing game.
it was a strength of the offense and the team.

I'm not saying we lose because we pass.
What we are saying is that we tend to pass more because we are losing. If we lead the league it ain't good.

Remember this was in response to the suggestion that Ben's leading the league in yardage means something. It does not mean anything positive or negative about Ben himself.

All it means is that our defense aint up to snuff. Therefore, it is a negative thing overall.

[Captain Lemming]

I’ll be honest, I had no desire to back and review my theory.

Yes that tendency is all you need to know my friend why you are wrong so very very often when debating me.

[Captain Lemming]

Yes that tendency is all you need to know my friend why you are wrong so very very often when debating me.

Speaking of which....looks like somebody STILL is trying to defend trying to sign Bell on the other thread.

[NJ-STEELER]

I'm not saying we lose because we pass.
What we are saying is that we tend to pass more because we are losing. If we lead the league it ain't good.
.

So leading the league in passing isn’t good ?

mahomes finished with only 30 less yards and the chiefs had the #1 seed in the afc that year.
And for a play here or there could have went to the super bowl.

there are many teams that attack with the pass. And with the way the rules are today, there’s nothing wrong that. We’ve seen pass heavy teams with the trophy quite often
chiefs, colts, saints, Brady teams

We’ve seen teams win the SB in A lot of different Ways. There’s no set in stone way to do it

[feltdizz]

Yes that tendency is all you need to know my friend why you are wrong so very very often when debating me.

Ha.. more like I had to get back to work.

[Captain Lemming]

So leading the league in passing isnÂ’t good ?

mahomes finished with only 30 less yards and the chiefs had the #1 seed in the afc that year.
And for a play here or there could have went to the super bowl.

there are many teams that attack with the pass. And with the way the rules are today, thereÂ’s nothing wrong that. WeÂ’ve seen pass heavy teams with the trophy quite often
chiefs, colts, saints, Brady teams

WeÂ’ve seen teams win the SB in A lot of different Ways. ThereÂ’s no set in stone way to do it

Interesting. Did "I" say anything about the Chiefs? Mahommes? Different teams.

Look at my post again. I used the expression "we" about 5 times.

Let me tell you how "we" have had success.

The most successful teams in with Ben as QB.
2004 Most wins by a Steeler team ever
2005 Ben's 1st SB victory
2008 Ben's 2nd SB victory
2010 Ben's last SB appearance

What do those teams have in common. Ben under 3500 yards.

Our last playoff is a perfect example. I have defended Ben's performance plenty.

We did not lose "because" of passing. We had record passing numbers because we fell behind.

If we "can" run we will run. If we "can" stop people we will stop people.

If we are capable of doing those things there is no way in green earth Ben leads the league in passing.

In harmony with the original contention, saying he led the league in passing yardage says more about deficiencies elsewhere than it does about Ben's level of play.

His passing "quantity" numbers are not ever an indication of team success.

[feltdizz]

Speaking of which....looks like somebody STILL is trying to defend trying to sign Bell on the other thread.

Well.. it’s not like we’ve had more success without him.