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    Welcome to the New NFL

    Seems the Steelers and Colbert are in line with other GMs:

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aft-pick-value

    Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook: What Happened to NFL Draft Pick Value?
    MATT MILLER
    OCTOBER 18, 2019
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    Los Angeles Rams new NFL football head coach Sean McVay, center, stands with Rams COO Kevin Demoff, left, and Rams general manager Les Snead as they hold a McVay jersey during a news conference at the Rams' training facility in Thousand Oaks, Calif., Friday, Jan. 13, 2017. (AP Photo/Michael Owen Baker)
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    There was a time, not too long ago, when NFL front offices wouldn't part with draft picks for anything. Want to trade for a starting-caliber quarterback? Better not ask for a first-round pick in exchange for him.

    Case in point: The San Francisco 49ers acquired Jimmy Garoppolo, a highly coveted quarterback who was on the last year of his rookie deal, for a second-round pick. That's it, because the 49ers and every other team weren't willing to part with first-round picks even though a multitude of football minds knew Garoppolo was a starting quarterback. First-round picks were kept at all costs, and this was October 2017.


    Then something changed. NFL teams started sending picks off for players at a high rate. Kansas City Chiefs general manager Brett Veach helped start the trend by sending late-round picks in exchange for formerly highly valued players such as linebacker Reggie Ragland (acquired for a conditional 2019 fourth-rounder) and offensive lineman Cameron Erving (acquired for a 2018 fifth-rounder).

    The idea of sending Day 3 draft picks for players who were either proven or had high potential in their pre-draft reports took off. We still see moves like this today, as evidenced by the Los Angeles Rams trading a 2021 fifth-rounder for center Austin Corbett, who was the No. 33 overall pick in the 2018 draft.

    Why, though, has the NFL become more trade-friendly in the last few seasons?

    Former Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner believes it's because of the miss rate in the draft: "With teams only hitting on 50 percent of first-round picks and virtually no team without cap room, the value of a proven veteran has gone up and an unknown draft pick has gone down. When cap was tight, teams needed to hit on cheaper draft picks to be able to afford veterans. Now you can build a much higher percentage of your team with established players."

    The Rams are attempting to load up for a Super Bowl run with this mindset. The Chiefs traded for cornerback Kendall Fuller and defensive end Frank Clark as huge parts of their defensive identity. The Cleveland Browns traded for wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. in a massive move.


    Even though the results haven't been immediate, these remain some of the NFL's most promising teams. They’re shifting into win-now mode by being aggressive in the trade market.

    They're able to do that because a good number of young and aggressive general managers are viewing draft picks as risky. Would you rather be the Rams with two late first-round picks that might not make huge impacts or the best young cornerback in football, Jalen Ramsey, formerly of the Jacksonville Jaguars?

    For many general managers, taking the proven asset over the unproven value of a draft pick is the way to go. Which begs the question: Who is next?

    Washington Redskins left tackle Trent Williams is the object of many teams' affection, but the front office has, to date, expressed no interest in trading him. The same is true for Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green, who will be a free agent after the season. A few teams (the Philadelphia Eagles and Green Bay Packers, most likely) would be interested in Green, but the Bengals say they aren't trading him.

    Some teams would like to be buyers at the deadline, and already we're seeing reports that the Miami Dolphins would be willing to trade impending free-agent running back Kenyan Drake. But the current expectation from league insiders is that the big deals are done unless the Redskins or Bengals change course as the Tuesday deadline looms.

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    I've always said "I'd rather trade for a known, proven commodity over an unproven one"
    It's nice to get the next Amazon at $30/share but ya never know who the next Amazon is until it's too late.
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    Eh, you don't have 53 draft picks every year to trade for a full roster. You still need to draft and develop.
    Let's face it, trading away picks is still wagering the future.
    Really though, very few opportunities arise for impact trades to occur.
    Disgruntled player wanting huge money looking for desperate team to give away picks and blow their cap up.

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    If you can get a proven commodity, you make the move.

    Especially at a position that’s hard to draft and develop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Eh, you don't have 53 draft picks every year to trade for a full roster. You still need to draft and develop.
    Let's face it, trading away picks is still wagering the future.
    Really though, very few opportunities arise for impact trades to occur.
    Disgruntled player wanting huge money looking for desperate team to give away picks and blow their cap up.
    In general, your exactly right. But I see why we did what we did for minka; you need established players in that secondary because our team can't develop them.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    In general, your exactly right. But I see why we did what we did for minka; you need established players in that secondary because our team can't develop them.
    I think they can develop players. The issue is they are not drafting the right players on a consistent enough basis.

    Is it scouting, coaching evaluations, GM evaluations, or probably a combination of all of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    I think they can develop players. The issue is they are not drafting the right players on a consistent enough basis.

    Is it scouting, coaching evaluations, GM evaluations, or probably a combination of all of the above.
    Burns was a bad pick. I think the majority of our DB picks are so late they rarely turn into dependable DB’s.

    But this isn’t just a Steeler problem. Unless you pick a first round DB at the top of the draft the chances of them panning out are slim.

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    Fitz also is very desirable trade. 2yr year high pick. Cap hit cheap. Instant upgrade. How often does that player become available?
    In retrospect the capital to try and get Fitz in the draft would have been way too much.
    And even a 8-8 season that pick given in up for 2020 most on here would be ecstatic. How many 1'st rd picks have busted or under played for there pick just for the Steelers?
    1.Jarvis
    2.Burns
    3.Dupree
    4.Edmonds(very possible)
    Who did I miss? Could go back to Ziggy's Draft even.
    Do that for the whole league and I bet it looks bad. Reason the value has dropped a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Fitz also is very desirable trade. 2yr year high pick. Cap hit cheap. Instant upgrade. How often does that player become available?
    In retrospect the capital to try and get Fitz in the draft would have been way too much.
    And even a 8-8 season that pick given in up for 2020 most on here would be ecstatic. How many 1'st rd picks have busted or under played for there pick just for the Steelers?
    1.Jarvis
    2.Burns
    3.Dupree
    4.Edmonds(very possible)
    Who did I miss? Could go back to Ziggy's Draft even.
    Do that for the whole league and I bet it looks bad. Reason the value has dropped a little.
    I think that's what makes the Fitz deal good.

    It wouldn't have been a good deal if he was in his 4th or 5th year because the coming cap hit would have been very big and the high draft pick we've given up would get 5 cheap years.

    But, Minkah looks like the real deal and we get him on the cheap for 3 more years after this year.

    Just hoping we can string some wins together so we can get a pick in the double digits (or at least close).
    Talent vs coaching: [url]www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php/48851-Poll-Question-for-Everyone/page14[/url]

    Steelers vs. Other Teams with good QBs: ... /47985-Steelers-most-successful-failure/page5

    Tomlin playoff record vs. expectations (Cowher pg24): ... /48742-Rooney-Brown-meeting/page22

    Tomlin's Las year: ... 49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284

    Maniac Talent>Coaching: ...49632-Trades?p=779158#post779158

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    Quote Originally Posted by BURGH86STEEL View Post
    I think they can develop players. The issue is they are not drafting the right players on a consistent enough basis.

    Is it scouting, coaching evaluations, GM evaluations, or probably a combination of all of the above.
    Really? So Colbert has missed on every secondary player over the last 12 years? Naaaaw. I can't buy that.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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