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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Would you classify Bud as a OLB or a DE? Wouldn't think it matters but if they franchise him; if he's listed as a linebacker than the hit is $16.26 M but if he argues his base role is as a pass rusher and thus a DE, then the hit is $19.3 M. Big difference!
    DEFINITELY a linebacker...especially knowing THAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Would you classify Bud as a OLB or a DE? Wouldn't think it matters but if they franchise him; if he's listed as a linebacker than the hit is $16.26 M but if he argues his base role is as a pass rusher and thus a DE, then the hit is $19.3 M. Big difference!
    pretty sure he is classified as an OLB since we are in a 3-4.

    I doubt he would win that challenge if he tried.
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    pretty sure he is classified as an OLB since we are in a 3-4.

    I doubt he would win that challenge if he tried.
    Spoken like someone who already has done the research for his client.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Lemming View Post
    Spoken like someone who already has done the research for his client.


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    if I was his agent he would be a DE.
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Tag Watt or better yet... ďwe canít pay everybody, look at the Pats, trade him for picks, blah blah blahĒ

    see how that works?

    canít get attached to players right?

    move him and sign more DBís


    Iím joking but thatís how everyone talks about positions besides the QB.

    ďRoot for the team not the player. We can sign anyone else if we give Watt top dollarĒ

    ... this is why you donít sign an old ass QB to a huge contract.
    i agree with that last statement as much as anything ive ever seen posted on here... and what made it worse is the fact that they extended him prior to the season. Very bold statement, but very much on point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    Would you classify Bud as a OLB or a DE? Wouldn't think it matters but if they franchise him; if he's listed as a linebacker than the hit is $16.26 M but if he argues his base role is as a pass rusher and thus a DE, then the hit is $19.3 M. Big difference!
    I think Suggs went through that, fought it, and was classified as a linebacker anyway.

    May have happened under a different CBA though.
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    Keeping Dupree not as tough as you think

    By Dale Lolley
    Posted on January 2, 2020

    Mike Tomlin was very frank about how he regards outside linebacker Bud Dupree, an impending free agent, calling him a "priority."

    That's all well and good, but the Steelers also have some other players heading to unrestricted free agency in mid-March, as well, including nose tackle Javon Hargrave and guard-center B.J. Finney.

    According to Spotrac.com, Dupree's estimated value on a contract will be $16.6 million per year. Hargrave's value is similar at $14.7 million per year. And in a league starved for competent offensive linemen, Finney would get an offer of at least $5 to $6-million per year.

    For the Steelers, who are estimated to have around $4 million in cap space available in 2020, that means some housekeeping will need to be done, especially if the Steelers also want to tender offers to restricted free agents such as cornerback Mike Hilton and offensive linemen Matt Feiler and Zach Banner, moves that will push the cost of those players to around $3 million each.

    That might mean the Steelers have to make a decision between Dupree and Hargrave. And given that Dupree played 1,000 snaps in 2019 and Hargrave played 696 -- a career high with defensive end Stephon Tuitt out for the majority of the season -- it would seem like a no-brainer. Dupree is the more valuable player, even though the Steelers don't have a replacement on the roster for either. As we saw with Hargrave, a third-round pick in 2016, nose tackles can be found later in the draft.

    Hargrave's agent also is likely to want his client to be paid in line with other pass-rushing defensive tackles instead of taking a contract in line with what other nose tackles earn, a difference of several million dollars.

    Giving Dupree a multi-year deal worth $16.6 million per season might not be possible for the Steelers, considering the team will have to pick up T.J. Watt's fifth-year option for the 2021 season and then have to sign Watt to a long-term deal after that. But placing a tag on Dupree would give the team the wiggle room it would need to kick finding a replacement for Dupree down the road for another year, something that's important for a team that doesn't have a first-round draft pick in 2020.

    So, how do the Steelers create the cap space they'll need?

    First up is releasing some players whose contracts outweigh their effectiveness or who could see their roles reduced. That would include not picking up the 2020 option on tight end Vance McDonald ($5.672 million in savings), linebacker Mark Barron ($5.25 million), linebacker Anthony Chickillo ($5 million), guard Ramon Foster ($4 million) and punter Jordan Berry ($1.8 million).

    Those five moves alone would create $21.722 million in additional cap space.

    We've also seen the Steelers restructure contracts to create additional cap space. With Ben Roethlisberger soon to be 38 and coming off elbow surgery with two years remaining on his contract, the Steelers are unlikely to do anything with his contract, even though a simple restructure would create $3.72 million in cap space.

    More likely candidates are cornerback Steven Nelson ($2.2 million), guard David DeCastro ($3.9 million) and Tuitt ($5.45 million).

    Those moves would put the Steelers at just under $35 million in cap space, assuming the cap comes in where it is currently estimated, about $10 million more than the $188.2 million it was at in 2019.

    If it comes in higher than that -- which is entirely possible -- all the better.

    That $35 million wouldn't allow the Steelers to spend a bunch of money on other team's free agents, but it would certainly allow them to keep their own -- at least to a large degree, while still having enough money available to sign their 2020 draft class. The one positive about not having a first-round pick is that their rookie salary pool won't be all that expensive.

    The franchise tag value for a linebacker in 2019 was $15.443 million, so Dupree could eat up at least half of that. And if the team makes restricted offers to Hilton, Feiler and Banner, that would eat up an additional $10 million, leaving the Steelers with approximately $9 million to make some other minor moves, such as re-signing Finney, special teams ace Tyler Matakevich and long-snapper Kameron Canaday since they can make those moves for long-term deals that include low 2020 salaries.

    Of course, they'll still need to have a tight end, as well, after not picking up the option on McDonald. They could either simply sign him to a new, cheaper deal, or re-sign Nick Vannett, another impending free agent.

    https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2...cap-moves-fdl/

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    Colbert usually finds money for players he wants to keep. It really comes down to Dupree.

    Does he want to stay or go?
    Tomlinís coming back so what can you do?


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    The misleading sack numbers of the 2020 free agents

    BY BEN LINSEY
    JAN 10, 2020

    The analytics community has made strides in recent years at changing how the general public views player production. One stat that still gets weighted more heavily than it should when evaluating pass-rushers, particularly when projecting future production, is sacks. We know that sacks are valuable. Theyíre also not nearly as stable as pressure rate when predicting pass-rusher performance from year to year. With teams getting ready to open their checkbooks for pass-rushers this offseason, the safer bet is to secure players who have shown they can consistently pressure the quarterback than to chase 2019 sack totals. These eight pass-rushers could be overvalued or undervalued based on their 2019 sack numbers.

    (Note: PFF sack totals will be referenced in this article, and they may differ from NFL sack totals since we do not award half sacks.)

    OVERVALUED

    Edge Bud Dupree, Pittsburgh Steelers

    Through the first four seasons of his career, Dupree had all the makings of a first-round bust. He didnít crack a 65.0 pass-rush grade in any of those seasons, nor did he have a pressure rate north of 12%. That has all seemed to change in 2019, but itís largely been the splash plays that have brought about that change. Dupreeís 13 sacks are more than double any prior season of his career, and his four forced fumbles are two more than he had from 2015 to 2018 combined.

    Year Pressure Rate Sacks
    2015 7.6% (88 / 100) 4
    2016 8.6% (N/A Ė not enough snaps) 4
    2017 11.8% (46 / 100) 6
    2018 10.4% (56 / 100) 6
    2019 10.1% (68 / 100) 13

    What should concern the Steelers when looking at the potential of re-signing Dupree, along with other potential suitors, is that his pressure rate for 2019 sits at only 10.1%. That ranks 70th among edge rushers, tied with Cassius Marsh and John Simon. Dupreeís sack total with a pressure rate that low and a four-year track record of subpar production as a pass-rusher should bring reason for pause for NFL teams this offseason.

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-mislead...ee-agents-2020

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    can anyone see similarities between Dupree and Ford... and how that played out?
    ďIím so tired of LeíVeon," DeCastro told reporters (h/t ESPN's Jeremy Fowler ([url]https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1038909446146203649[/url])) after Sunday's game. "Iím so tired of it. Letís just worry about the guys in here. I know you guys have stories to write and what not. I love LeíVeon, but we gotta worry about the guys in here. Theyíre the only people that matter to me."



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