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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    I read he gave up 3 TDs that week

    gonna be really interesting to watch

    Well, he has two more chances to get even with the Ravens then. He should be motivated for sure.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Well, he has two more chances to get even with the Ravens then. He should be motivated for sure.
    Thats interesting. He could actually play them 4 times this year if he is healthy and we were to match up in January. Can’t say I know of a player doing that although I’m confident it has happened. Anyone know how to search a stat like that? Lol

    Hopefully (or not hopefully I suppose) he/we/the Steelers get to play the asterisks* a second time....
    Last edited by AzStillers1989; 09-17-2019 at 07:52 PM.

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    when is the last time you read this about a DB the Steelers drafted?:

    Minkah Fitzpatrick Scouting Report
    By Charlie Campbell

    Strengths:
    Instinctive
    Extremely well-rounded
    Tremendous coverage safety
    Dangerous play-maker in the deep part of the field
    A true single-high safety
    Ball skills
    Soft hands
    Interception threat
    Covers a ton of ground
    Superb at covering receivers over the top
    Fast enough to run with speed receivers
    Good vision, eye discipline
    Can play nickel corner
    Can play man coverage on slot receivers
    Can play man coverage on receiving tight ends
    Asset to defend big receivers downfield
    Dangerous blitzer
    Solid run defender
    Good tackler in the open field
    Will get physical as a tackler
    Can play near the line of scrimmage
    Capable of being the eighth man in the box
    Can drive and fill in the box
    Always around the ball
    Fluid; can flip his hips and run
    Good special teams player
    Should be able to play quickly
    Has been a starter at corner
    Quarterback of the defense
    Experienced and successful against good college talent
    Versatile
    Team leader

    Weaknesses:
    Lacks ideal height
    Lacks ideal speed


    Summary: Alabama head coach and defensive backs coach Nick Saban isn't against playing freshmen or underclassmen, but they have to be special players to beat out other highly recruited players who are older, more experienced, and more developed physically. Fitzpatrick was so good though that he forced his way onto the field as a freshman, totaling 45 tackles with two sacks, 11 passes broken up and two interceptions - both returned for a touchdowns - for the year.

    In 2016, Fitzpatrick recorded 66 tackles with seven passes broken up and six interceptions. He was dominant at times for Alabama, splitting time between corner and safety. In 2017, Fitzpatrick racked up 60 tackles, one interception and eight passes broken up. He played well, covering receivers downfield, staying around the ball, and helping out his cornerbacks. The junior had a dominant game against Texas A&M to help Alabama avoid an upset. He was very impressive in pretty much every other game he played in, including contests against Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee and Vanderbilt.

    Fitzpatrick is a dynamic defender in the middle of he field as he is extremely well-rounded. What really sets Fitzpatrick apart is he has fabulous instincts that put him in position to impact the game. He is very smart and is extremely fast at reading his keys to get in position to make plays.

    With his skill set and versatility, Fitzpatrick looks like a real weapon for a pro defense. He can play the roaming safety role in the middle of the field, with his instincts putting him in position to make plays on the ball. Another great attribute that Fitzpatrick possesses is being able to play nickel corner. He is good in man coverage to line up over the slot receiver and prevent separation. Fitzpatrick also can play man coverage on tight ends, and his NFL defense is going to love having him to help neutralize the elite receiving tight ends of the NFL.

    Fitzpatrick also is a threat to take the ball away downfield. He tracks passes extremely well and shows nice ball skills.
    For a defensive back, Fitzpatrick has excellent hands. He is a real threat to create interceptions and make a game-changing play for his defense. With his instincts and skill set, Fitzpatrick is able to be the deep free safety center fielder who locks down the deep part of the field. It is hard to find single-high safeties, but Fitzpatrick has that ability. He also is a dangerous blitzer
    https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...itzpatrick.php

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    R. Clark hating on the Fitz trade.... reading this, it's a typical case of a guy yapping before getting all the facts (assumes Fitz is gonna play CB):

    I donít like the move. I donít like saying that we canít possibly get an impact player in the draft that may play the quarterback position, weíre so sure that Mason Rudolph is the guy, or weíre so sure that Ben Roethlisberger will be healthy. And are they one player away on defense, and is Minkah Fitzpatrick that player? This is a guy that didnít necessarily want to be a corner in Miami. He didnít play that position. And thatís where they need help. You have two young safeties. And so for me, this is the move that was made almost in a situation where, weíre not very good on defense, thereís a good player thatís available, letís go get him without looking at the big picture of where you are. This doesnít put them in the playoffs, but it does take away a huge pick that they could need in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    when is the last time you read this about a DB the Steelers drafted?:



    https://walterfootball.com/scoutingr...itzpatrick.php
    I remember watching the draft and this is exactly what the "experts" said about him. I remember the commentary and thinking how awesome it would be to have this guy on the Steelers.
    We settled for Edmunds later in the round.
    I believe FITZPATRICK is gonna be a difference maker....it might not happen until BUTLER is replaced but it'll happen
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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    Friday, Sep 20, 2019 06:21 AM

    Labriola on the Minkah Fitzpatrick trade


    Bob Labriola

    Steelers.com


    Ready or not, here it comes:


    • “Loves ball, lives ball.”


    • That’s the first sentence under the sub-head “Strengths” in the pre-draft analysis of him that appeared on NFL.com in the run-up to the 2018 NFL Draft. That makes Minkah Fitzpatrick the kind of player this Steelers defense needs more than anything else. A deeper dive into the kind of person and professional he is makes the trade to acquire him a smart move.


    • To recap the action, the Steelers acquired defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick from the Miami Dolphins earlier this week in exchange for their first-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, plus two other moves that essentially involved the teams swapping a couple of picks in similar areas of the draft. The Dolphins get the Steelers’ fifth-round pick in 2020, and the Steelers get the Dolphins’ fourth-round pick in 2020; and Miami gets the Steelers’ sixth-round pick in 2021, and Pittsburgh gets Miami’s seventh-round pick in 2021.


    • The historical significance of the deal is that a trade made by the Steelers leaves them without a first-round draft pick for the first time since 1967. Just to complete the historical circle, the Green Bay Packers used that pick, which was the ninth overall, to select Boston College center Bob Hyland, primarily a backup offensive lineman for five teams over 11 seasons in which the highlight was being a part of the Packers’ Super Bowl II championship team as a rookie.


    • Anyway, the point is that was a long time ago, before Chuck Noll, before Bill Nunn, before Dan Rooney assumed control of the day-to-day football operations and decreed that such personnel moves would cease immediately because the way he saw it, the only way to build a championship team was through the draft.


    • Now, let’s delve a bit into Minkah Fitzpatrick’s history.


    • His high school coach told the story of winning a state championship, to which Fitzpatrick contributed significantly, and relatively early on the morning after the game the coach started calling players to thank them for their contributions and congratulate them again on their accomplishment.


    • He called Fitzpatrick first, and asked if his call woke him up. No, was the answer. But you sound out of breath, the coach said. That’s because I’m on the track doing some speed work, Fitzpatrick answered.


    • Alabama doesn’t often find the need to venture north of the Mason-Dixon Line in search of skill-position players, but Nick Saban was willing to make an exception when it came to that wide receiver/defensive back from Saint Peter’s Prep in New Jersey. Fitzpatrick not only was good enough to get an offer from Alabama, but he was good enough to win a starting job as a freshman at Alabama, and he was good enough to hold off the competition and keep that job for each of his three seasons there.


    • As a freshman, Fitzpatrick intercepted two passes and returned both for touchdowns to help the Crimson Tide finish 14-1 and win the National Championship Game over Clemson during which he contributed two passes defensed. As a sophomore, Fitzpatrick intercepted six passes and returned two of those for touchdowns, but the 14-1 Crimson Tide lost to Clemson in the National Championship Game. By 2017, opponents got wise and stayed away from his area of the secondary, and so he had just one interception and seven passes defensed on the way to winning another championship ring with Alabama finishing the season at 13-1. And Fitzpatrick also played special teams for the Tide and had 22 career tackles in coverage.


    • That’s two championships in three seasons, a 41-3 overall record, and recognition from Saban as “the best leader I ever coached.”


    • Typically, a player with Fitzpatrick’s skill-set, which is to say a guy who is 6-foot, 204 pounds and runs a 4.46 in the 40-yard dash; a guy who can cover like a cornerback; who can track and make plays on the ball if lined up as a safety; who’s extremely competitive and has a history of showing up big in the biggest games; who has awareness in zone coverage to make loads of plays; who’s able to stick a foot in ground and drive to the ball; who attacks the line of scrimmage in run support and welcomes physical challenges; and who is a dangerous blitzer off the edge, would be a slam-dunk top-10 pick in whichever NFL Draft he chose to enter.


    • But since Fitzpatrick lasted until the 11th overall pick in 2018, let’s take a look at what happened with the 10 selections before him.


    • Four of the 10 choices were quarterbacks in what was supposed to be one of the best groups at the position since the 1983 group sent John Elway, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly first to the NFL via the first round and then to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Another of the picks ahead of Fitzpatrick was a guard picked by the Colts in a too-little, too-late attempt to protect Andrew Luck. Another was a right tackle to pair with left tackle Joe Staley to protect Jimmy Garoppolo. Another was Saquon Barkley. Another was OLB Bradley Chubb. Another was three-down inside linebacker Roquan Smith. And the 10th was cover cornerback Denzel Ward.


    • There should be little doubt about the Steelers’ need for a player like Fitzpatrick, because in 2018 their defense tied a franchise record for fewest interceptions in a season with eight, and beyond the interceptions it’s the number of times the Steelers pass defenders don’t make plays on the football. Through the first two games this season, they have no interceptions and two passes defensed on a combined 72 pass attempts.


    • The most oft-repeated objection to the trade for Fitzpatrick has to do with the surrender of a No. 1 pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. The opposition points to Ben Roethlisberger being out for the rest of the season because of the need of surgery on his right elbow and automatically assume the Steelers will crater as a result and therefore be picking close to the top five in that upcoming draft, which would be a good position to consider adding their next franchise quarterback.


    • My contention is really twofold: While I absolutely respect what Roethlisberger brings to the table as a starting quarterback and acknowledge he is Hall of Fame-caliber, I just don’t believe these Steelers are a 5-11 team with Mason Rudolph as the starter in his place for the rest of the season. While it’s premature to make any grand predictions about winning the AFC North or squeezing into the playoffs without Roethlisberger, I just don’t see the bottom falling out as it would have to for the Steelers to finish with a pick in the top 10 of next year’s draft.


    • And for argument’s sake, let’s say they did finish 5-11 and had the fifth overall pick, which was Tampa Bay’s record as the owner of that pick last April. Picking fifth overall in 2018, in that supposedly great year to be needing a quarterback, the choices were Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson, and Rudolph. In terms of talent and fit within this offensive scheme, I like Rudolph the best from that group of four. And the Steelers already have him.


    • Having Rudolph, and with Roethlisberger already saying he plans to attack his rehabilitation and return to play out the two years remaining on his contract, and with the Steelers likely knowing more about the specifics of his injury and the surgery that’s going to be required to fix it, I think it’s premature to assume the team would be in the market for a quarterback with a pick in the top five-to-10 region of the 2020 NFL Draft.


    • What they probably would be looking for instead would be a versatile defensive back who can make plays on the ball, who has a history of interceptions and returning those interceptions for significant yards and/or touchdowns, who is a hard worker and a leader, who approaches his business as a professional.


    • They would be looking for a guy exactly like Minkah Fitzpatrick. Who by the way is just 22 years old, who already has played 18 NFL games to give them a decent idea of what he might become, and who is under contract through the 2021 season at a total of $5.645 million.


    • Where in the world could they find a deal like that?


    https://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-on-the-minkah-fitzpatrick-trade
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    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Labriola nailed it. I'm so excited about this trade. Draft day is a crap shoot - but we got a first round pick one year after he was drafted and is now a known quantity. it's like we got the answers to the test before we pulled the trigger on our first round pick. There is no downside to this trade in my opinion. Especially when you consider how often first round picks turn out to be busts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlifter View Post
    Labriola nailed it. I'm so excited about this trade. Draft day is a crap shoot - but we got a first round pick one year after he was drafted and is now a known quantity. it's like we got the answers to the test before we pulled the trigger on our first round pick. There is no downside to this trade in my opinion. Especially when you consider how often first round picks turn out to be busts.
    Yeah, usually when a team trades away valuable first round picks for a young known quantity (like Khalil Mack, Amari Cooper, Laremy Tunsil, and possibly Jalen Ramsey soon), the team that gets the player has to pay that player a new huge money contract either immediately or shortly after the trade happens.

    However, in this case, Miami already paid him his $10,042,016 signing bonus, so the Steelers only have to pay a base salary of $1,083,199 this year, $1,975,252 next year, and $2,722,878 the year after that. That level of bargain is unprecended. We got a 22 year old elite talent whose cap hit is lower right now than Dan McCullers, for Christ's sake.

    And the CBA states that players on their rookie deal aren't eligible for extensions until after they've accumulated 3 years of service, and Minkah is only 2 games into year two right now. We have him for 3 amazingly cheap years, and then could exercise a 5th year option on him after that.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    I'm worried about what we gave away, but I'm also very excited to see what we got.

    Watching those highlights has me hyped for this weekend.

    Would be nice to see an Int this weekend (from Fitz or anyone else on the team). They've been hard to come by for us. The D's got to step up to help the O out.
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    Steelers vs. Other Teams with good QBs: ... /47985-Steelers-most-successful-failure/page5

    Tomlin playoff record vs. expectations (Cowher pg24): ... /48742-Rooney-Brown-meeting/page22

    Tomlin's Las year: ... 49599-Just-sayin?p=778284#post778284

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