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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I'm more excited to see what these 2 guys can do than just about any other person on the roster.

    If they were 6'4", they would have easily been 1st rounders. Sutton is a lot quicker. He's quicker than just about everybody. OA is a smidge taller, stronger, and heavier. I think OA can carry 250lbs+, but Sutton might max out at 225-235 and he's going to have a challenge on the edge. But Sutton's quickness is ridiculous and I think he's going to prove everyone wrong and possible become the Drew Brees or Wes Welker of OLBs. Terribly small and undersized, but just crazy good despite his limitations.

    The one big question is can he remain durable at that size?
    Insert Sam Mills...Albeit it's not the norm, But all positions have had their " not prototypical " height, weight, speed preferred number at every position...

    But there has always been exceptions,as you stated...JH was a GREAT OLB at 5'11"...Sure height is the only true comparison between him snd Sutton...Harrison was / still is strong AF...But Sutton also is so unique in that he is crazy quick and athletic...

    Sometimes these type of players are very troublesome for opponents because they are " not the norm " !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco1981 View Post
    Sometimes these type of players are very troublesome for opponents because they are " not the norm " !
    Good point...NFL tackles are so used to blocking guys that are 6'4"-6'6" and 250-270 lbs. all day every day that when someone comes at them who is suddenly 5'11"-6'0" and 230-240 lbs., they might not know exactly how to go about dealing with them.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco1981 View Post
    Insert Sam Mills...Albeit it's not the norm, But all positions have had their " not prototypical " height, weight, speed preferred number at every position...

    But there has always been exceptions,as you stated...JH was a GREAT OLB at 5'11"...Sure height is the only true comparison between him snd Sutton...Harrison was / still is strong AF...But Sutton also is so unique in that he is crazy quick and athletic...

    Sometimes these type of players are very troublesome for opponents because they are " not the norm " !
    I agree with this; you've got to be intrigued at what Sutton's quickness can do for us. Sure durability is an issue but also being able to wrap up on tackles; which was another short comming of our defense.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    The Steelers passed on a chance to steal Chase Winovich in the third round this year. Perhaps Kevin Colbert and company think they already have the player they need in Ola Adeniyi.
    Only time will tell I guess but I can see Winovich becoming a star in New England and Adeniyi just being nothing more than another warm body in Pittsburgh. Hoping that I’m wrong but at the moment not drafting Winovich seems like an asinine move by the Steelers.[/QUOTE]

    Would it be an "asanine move" if Winovich wasn't from the local area? He got lots of hype because he was a local kid. We got by far the best LB on the Michigan team. I also liked Winovich but its extreme to try to portray him as the next Kevin Greene[/QUOTE]

    But.....the hair.

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    This is one of those “ wait and see” situations. We’ll find out which GM was right and wrong. I too wanted CW; quite a few of us had him in our mocks that we posted leading up to the draft. Let’s give Colbert the BOD right now.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    This is one of those “ wait and see” situations. We’ll find out which GM was right and wrong. I too wanted CW; quite a few of us had him in our mocks that we posted leading up to the draft. Let’s give Colbert the BOD right now.
    All I’m saying is if CW sacks Ben even once on opening day one of my shoes will be landing against the TV screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Chase seems to be a guy who is a high-effort physical player, but wasn't necessarily blessed with a great deal of athleticism and explosiveness. He was a third round talent who was drafted in the third round. I would have been happy to land him in round 3, but I don't think we missed out on the "steal of the draft" here or anything. I expect him to be a solid, but not necessarily spectacular NFL player.
    Sounds like a clone of Chickilo to me, except Chickilo isn't a local kid

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man of Steel View Post
    All I’m saying is if CW sacks Ben even once on opening day one of my shoes will be landing against the TV screen.
    I feel ya;
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Friday, Jun 07, 2019 07:06 AM

    Labriola on special teams, T.J., young guy days


    Bob Labriola

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    Ready or not, here it comes:


    • “If you’re not a starter on offense or defense, you better be a starter on special teams.”


    • That’s a verse from the gospel according to special teams coordinator Danny Smith, and he preaches it to the new group of draft choices and rookie free agents each spring as the offseason program gets underway. And if it can be criticized for being self-serving, it also should be heeded because it’s true.


    • Most of the players who used their college football career as a resume builder for a shot at the NFL come into it trying to make a roster with little to no special teams experience, and most of them are staring down the barrel of a situation where making an impact on special teams would be their best path to getting onto the team first and then getting onto the field after that.


    • A 53-man NFL roster is about half the size of the typical college team, and on game days having only 46 players in uniform is mathematical proof that what Smith was telling them is the unvarnished truth.


    • A game day roster will include two quarterbacks and three specialists, and so that means a head coach has but 41 position players at his disposal. Since most offensive and defensive linemen aren’t on the kick return or kick coverage units, you can subtract another 12 from the 41, which leaves 29. That number is reduced further by the offensive and defensive starters who are exempt from special teams, and so special teams coordinators such as Smith find themselves with about a dozen core guys who will end up playing the bulk of the special teams snaps.


    • Become one of those 12 and you’ve made yourself into an indispensable part of the game day roster, and if a young player is able to make himself into an indispensable part of a team’s game day roster, it means he has his foot in the door on the way to a career in the NFL.


    • During this OTA portion of the offseason program, young guys are getting their first chance to show what they can do during on-field sessions, and because the Steelers have these sessions open to the media, and because the media can interview players after those sessions, there can be a buzz created about certain individuals and what they have been showing on the field.


    • Mostly, the focus is on offense or defense. Just to use some examples from the last couple of weeks, storylines have included how sixth-round pick Sutton Smith had his jersey switched from No. 51 to No. 42 in part because the Steelers plan to see if he can line up some at fullback maybe in addition to linebacker. Or how Ola Adeniyi has developed additional pass rush moves that might help him transition from last summer’s camp phenom into a guy who could be part of one of the defensive sub-packages. Or how safety Marcus Allen, a fifth-round pick in 2018, feels so much more comfortable with the defense and his responsibilities within it in his second professional season.


    • There are other storylines, too, but the reality for Smith and Adeniyi and Allen, as well as for many others, is that their surest shot to be on the opening 53-man roster and then to be in uniform when the regular season opens on Sept. 8 in Gillette Stadium is to have found a way to make themselves indispensable to Danny Smith.


    • That’s their foot in the door, just as it was for Greg Lloyd and Joey Porter and James Harrison and Jerry Olsavsky and Lee Flowers and Jason Gildon, and so many others. Which is why those periods of practice that are devoted to special teams might be boring for fans to watch, but they are more meaningful than just about anything else so many young players will do all day.


    • By no definition of the word could T.J. Watt be considered a disappointment. No way. Far from it. But if the Steelers don’t start getting more from him in what will be his third NFL season, their defense has no chance to be what this team will need to get back into the playoffs and contend for a championship.


    • The team’s first-round pick in the 2017 NFL Draft has been a full-time starter for the entirety of his two-year career, and in 31 career games Watt already has 20 sacks and a Pro Bowl in the hopper. He has learned to play right outside linebacker and then left outside linebacker in a seamless fashion during his two professional seasons, and the manner in which he approaches his profession and conducts himself both on and off the field belie the fact his 25th birthday won’t happen until mid-October.


    • The Steelers need more takeaways from their defense, and while it would be unfair to place the onus for this solely on Watt’s shoulders, it’s also fair for a team to turn to its best players when looking to increase the frequency of the kinds of plays that can change the course of a game. Watt is certainly among this team’s best players, and he’s not shying away from the responsibility that comes with such a status.


    • “More splash. More plays,” Watt told the Tribune-Review after the Steelers’ fifth OTA. “I think I left a lot of plays out there (in 2018). I feel like I definitely got into a rhythm toward the end of the season and got more comfortable in all aspects of the game, not just the pass rush.”


    • In his second NFL season, Watt led the team in sacks with 13, in hits on the quarterback with 21, and in forced fumbles with six. For a guy to be as disruptive as Watt, to be around the quarterback as much as Watt, it’s unfathomable that the Steelers finished the season with only eight interceptions and seven fumble recoveries.


    • Watt seems to be in agreement, and he’s turned his focus toward doing something about that. Using his first two NFL seasons as evidence, Watt’s focus is a dangerous weapon.


    • Scheduled days off. Maintenance days. Young guy days. Those all are different ways to describe the same thing, which is Mike Tomlin’s method of simultaneously preserving the bodies of some of his team’s critical veterans while increasing the number of repetitions his young players might need to advance their development.


    • It’s most obvious when it’s implemented at the quarterback position, and while fans may moan about Ben Roethlisberger getting the kid-glove treatment, Tomlin’s ongoing policy of managing the workload that’s placed on that extremely critical 37-year-old right arm/elbow serves the team in many different ways.


    • The value of keeping Roethlisberger fresh over the long grind of an NFL season shouldn’t have to be explained to anyone, but apparently there are still some who need to be reminded that flesh and bone isn’t an indestructible combination. Having an athlete in “midseason form” a couple of months before midseason can result in the piper having to be paid at some point down the road, and if the trade-off for being in midseason form in September is a tired arm in December, well, that too high a price to be paid.


    • But beyond protecting the team’s No. 1 asset, resting Roethlisberger also increases the on-field exposure for Joshua Dobbs and Mason Rudolph, and it can increase the on-field opportunity other front-line players have to work with them.


    • Should something happen to a team’s starting quarterback, it’s important that the backup has had time in practice, and it’s also important that the backup has had time in practice with the people with whom he’s going to have to be on the field executing the offense.


    • As for the actual competition to be the backup quarterback in 2019, that action will heat up once the Steelers report to Saint Vincent College, and those preseason games when Roethlisberger plays little if at all figure to serve as the final exams for Dobbs and Rudolph.


    • It would make sense for each guy to get a chance to start a preseason game, and another evaluating tool would be how each guy fares coming off the bench, because that scenario would be the most likely one if either is going to get any real regular season playing time.


    • So keep all of this in mind if you happen to be visiting training camp to watch practice and it turns out to be a day when Roethlisberger is primarily a spectator. It’s not a wasted trip, but merely a chance to get a first-hand look at how the Dobbs vs. Rudolph competition is shaping up. And don’t forget to pay attention during special teams periods.


    https://www.steelers.com/news/labriola-on-special-teams-t-j-young-guy-days
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Olsavsky On Steelers Rookie Sutton Smith: ‘We Are Trying To Get Him To Be A Good Special Teams Player’

    By Dave Bryan
    Posted on June 19, 2019

    When the Pittsburgh Steelers arrive at Latrobe for the start of their 2019 training camp roughly five weeks from today one of the team’s three sixth-round draft picks this year, outside linebacker Sutton Smith out of Northern Illinois, is likely to be an instant fan favorite as he’s an easy player to root for. After all, what’s not to like about an undersized edge-rusher who mostly played running back in high school and ultimately defied the measurable bias in college on his way to registering 30 total sacks, of which 29 came in his final two seasons?

    Despite his strong college pass-rushing resume, Smith will undoubtedly still need to show this year in training camp that he can wear multiple hats with a primary one having a special teams tag emblazoned on it. Nobody probably made that more clear during the Steelers offseason practices than inside linebackers coach Jerry Olsavsky when he talked to the media last week during the team’s mandatory minicamp

    “He played defensive end in college,” Olsavsky said, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “The easiest way to make the team is on special teams, then make yourself valuable with the other traits. We like how he comes off the edge. Now we are trying to get him to be a good special teams player, so he has a spot there.”

    Steelers defensive coordinator Keith Butler also said as much about Smith not long after the team had drafted him.

    “Sutton Smith is a quick guy. He’s going to add some depth to our outside linebackers to help us on special teams,”Butler said immediately following the selection of Smith. “We’ll get him here and see what he does best. Right now, we know that he’s a great rusher for us. He’s going to create some great competition for us at outside linebacker, which is always good. We’ll see when he gets here at camp, what he does best and try to utilize his abilities to that.”

    The “other traits” that Olsavsky spoke of last week figure to be related to Smith showing that he can also serve as an emergency fullback and maybe even as an emergency inside linebacker during training camp, in addition to outside linebacker. The 6003, 233-pound Smith reportedly received some limited work at fullback during the Steelers offseason practices and he updated the media on how that experience has gone for him to date.

    “Things are going well with fullback,” Smith said. “They are throwing me in a little bit more, They don’t want me to pick a position. They want me to learn both positions.”

    With “both” positions being outside linebacker and fullback, will Smith also get some practice time at inside linebacker once the team begins their training camp practices in late July?

    “To teach somebody inside and outside right away? That would be a disservice,” Olsavsky said last week per the newspaper report. “If it shows up later, OK. But that’s something that comes out during the course of training camp.”

    Smith learning all of those multiple positions this summer aside, it has to be reemphasized that him proving himself as potentially being a core special teams player at Latrobe and during the preseason is paramount. If he can’t make himself valuable to special teams coordinator Danny Smith, it’s unlikely that he’s make the initial 53-man roster.

    Looking back at Smith’s college career, it’s hard to tell if he played any on special teams but if he did, it probably wasn’t much. Because of that, it will be interesting to see how he does when it comes to him covering punts and kickoffs once he puts the pads on for the first time as a member of the Steelers. If he can prove to be a valuable asset in that phase of the game, him learning the other positions along the way will just be icing on the cake for him and thus make him even harder to part with come early September.

    Oh, about Smith potentially being too undersized to play outside linebacker at the NFL level, Olsavsky relayed some interesting observations on that notion as well last week.

    “At rookie camp, you might have looked at him a couple times and said, ‘Maybe he is too small.’ But I haven’t seen that now,” Olsavsky reportedly said. “You look at the film, and he holds up on the edge pretty well.”

    Personally, I can’t wait to watch Smith wear multiple hats during the preseason and I bet many of yinz feel the same way.

    https://steelersdepot.com/2019/06/ol...-teams-player/

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