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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Sutton Smith is indeed intriguing.

    Folks talk about how undersized he is to be an edge rusher at the next level, and that is probably true. If the team tried to keep him there, he might only ever be a situational edge rusher on defense (in addition to being a potential special teams dynamo).

    However, I would probably put him behind Mark Barron and ask him to learn from that guy. Barron made the position switch from college safety to pro LB, and although Smith's conversion from college DE to pro LB is different, I'm sure that Barron would be able to relate to the kid.

    At 6'0" 233 lbs., Sutton Smith is essentially the same size as Devin Bush (he's listed as 1 inch taller and 1 pound lighter, actually). Bush had a very good 3 cone time of 6.93, but Sutton Smith's 3 cone time of 6.75 is other worldly (there were only 5 guys better than him at the combine...3 of them were corners, 1 was a safety, and the other was a dual-threat QB. The purpose of the 3 cone drill is to evaluate the agility, quickness and fluidity of movement of players. A guy who can change direction that well, and was as productive as he was in college the last 2 years regardless of the level of competition (29.5 tackles for loss and 14 sacks in 2017, then 26.5 tackles for loss and 15 sacks in 2018) has a real chance to stick on a pro roster somewhere.

    While Devin Bush will be our every down ILB likely from day 1, I could see Sutton Smith being a ST demon as a rookie, and perhaps by year 3 or so (once Mark Barron has moved on), he could potentially take over on defense as a nickel/dime backer with the ability to blitz and make plays out there in space.

    I'm not giving up on Sutton as an OLB. Besides, in 3 years, we'll surely have Bush and Shazier manning the middle of the field.

    Harrison and Dumerville were around the same height as Sutton but maybe 20 lbs heavier. Not sure how much weight Sutton's frame can carry, and he's already strong, but maybe he gets half way there and he's other world quick compared to those 2.

    Another guy that you might be able to compare Sutton to is Robert Mathis from the Colts. He was a great OLB that was lightning quick off the snap and he was in the same ball park of size as Sutton. Mathis was 2 inches taller and 10 lbs heavier.

    I know Sutton is undersized on the outside, but I think he can overcome it. He's quick and strong enough. He just needs some chances and some work out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Sutton Smith is indeed intriguing.

    Folks talk about how undersized he is to be an edge rusher at the next level, and that is probably true. If the team tried to keep him there, he might only ever be a situational edge rusher on defense (in addition to being a potential special teams dynamo).

    However, I would probably put him behind Mark Barron and ask him to learn from that guy. Barron made the position switch from college safety to pro LB, and although Smith's conversion from college DE to pro LB is different, I'm sure that Barron would be able to relate to the kid.

    At 6'0" 233 lbs., Sutton Smith is essentially the same size as Devin Bush (he's listed as 1 inch taller and 1 pound lighter, actually). Bush had a very good 3 cone time of 6.93, but Sutton Smith's 3 cone time of 6.75 is other worldly (there were only 5 guys better than him at the combine...3 of them were corners, 1 was a safety, and the other was a dual-threat QB. The purpose of the 3 cone drill is to evaluate the agility, quickness and fluidity of movement of players. A guy who can change direction that well, and was as productive as he was in college the last 2 years regardless of the level of competition (29.5 tackles for loss and 14 sacks in 2017, then 26.5 tackles for loss and 15 sacks in 2018) has a real chance to stick on a pro roster somewhere.

    While Devin Bush will be our every down ILB likely from day 1, I could see Sutton Smith being a ST demon as a rookie, and perhaps by year 3 or so (once Mark Barron has moved on), he could potentially take over on defense as a nickel/dime backer with the ability to blitz and make plays out there in space.
    If Timmons retires, maybe bring him in as a coach or consultant. Seems like his transition was somewhat similar.

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    Sutton will be an interesting watch.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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    Justin Layne feels like he is “getting there” within the Steelers defense

    The Pittsburgh Steelers desperately need a playmaker on the defensive side of the ball, and the hope is Justin Layne is the answer to their problem.

    By Jeff.Hartman May 28, 2019

    Of all the nine drafted players in the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 2019 NFL Draft class, Justin Layne might have had the most hype surrounding him. Sure, Devin Bush was the most discussed, but the general consensus is the trade up in the first round was a move to get an almost known commodity. On the other hand, Layne, a 3rd round pick, is brimming with up-side, but whether his game translates to the NFL has yet to be determined.

    After one week of Organized Team Activities (OTAs) under his belt, the Steelers’ rookie cornerback is starting to feel as if he belongs, and is learning the system.

    “I feel like I’m getting there,” Layne told Hunter Homistek of DKPittsburghSports. “It’s like as soon as I started getting something down pat, we’re adding something else. But that’s just part of the game. I still got a long way to go, but I think I’m doing pretty good so far.”

    Getting to the point where he is now hasn’t just come from individual hard work and determination. No, Layne has needed some help from his friends.

    “[Working with Haden’s] been great,” Layne said. “Everybody’s unselfish. Everybody’s trying to help each other, help the younger guys. It’s been great.”

    “Most of the time, I ask them questions, but they always, if I do something wrong or my eyes are in the wrong spot, they always come pull me aside and say, ‘Hey, you need to do that better, do that better,’” Layne said. “They’re always giving their little two cents but I just ask a lot of questions for the most part, and everybody is open.”

    The Steelers’ secondary might not be a star-studded crew, but with the addition of Steven Nelson, they have a wealth of knowledge and experience at the position to help groom Layne into the player fans hope he becomes.

    But don’t talk to Layne about being a starter, or making key interceptions at the game’s highest level. All he is focused on is getting better every day, and getting comfortable in his new city.

    “I’m just trying to get better out there for the most part,” Layne told Homistek at the Rooney Complex. “I had some errors today, but I also made some plays. So I’m just trying to get in shape and try to adapt to the new system and everything.”

    As of now, you have to wonder what the plan is for Layne within the Steelers’ system. While he is capable of playing both inside and outside, him being groomed to take over for Joe Haden would be a best-case scenario. The first job on the agenda for Layne would be nothing more than cracking the roster.

    Just take a look at the CB depth chart he will have to overcome this summer at training camp:

    Joe Haden
    Steven Nelson
    Mike Hilton
    Cam Sutton
    Brian Allen
    Artie Burns


    It shouldn’t be tough for Layne to fill the spot Coty Sensabaugh filled last year as the primary backup along the outside, but the main issue will be if/when Layne is ready for the NFL stage. There is plenty of time for him to get acclimated, and the preseason will be a good indicator of his overall readiness from the NCAA to the NFL.

    https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...aft-cornerback

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    Good read... thanks Hawaiian. Your posting great stories for us. Thanks keeping us informed.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Good read... thanks Hawaiian. Your posting great stories for us. Thanks keeping us informed.
    you're very welcome my friend

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    Don't overlook Buggs. He could be a sleeper keeper that finally knocks McCullers off the roster. He was pretty much passed over because of who he played next to, but he was good enough in his own right:

    Overview
    Position: Defensive end / three-technique defensive tackle
    Height: 6’4″
    Weight: 292 pounds
    School: Alabama Crimson Tide

    Combine Performance Data
    40-yard dash: 5.15 seconds
    Bench press: 20 reps
    Vertical jump: 24.5 inches
    Broad jump: 8 feet
    Three-cone drill: 8.01 seconds
    20-yard shuttle: 4.83 seconds

    Isaiah Buggs 2019 NFL Draft Profile
    Every year in the NFL Draft, the Alabama Crimson Tide have a star defensive lineman selected early on. This year, Quinnen Williams has grabbed the top honor of not only the best Crimson Tide prospect, but one of the best prospects overall. Williams isn’t the only Tide defensive lineman in this Draft. An underrated and often overlooked playmaker on the defensive lineman is Isaiah Buggs. Even though Williams is the more explosive, Buggs has shown to be highly consistent himself. Buggs was a highly developed before he arrived at Alabama from Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College. He was always essentially a defender with the Crimson Tide, playing with top rated Draft prospects. Buggs has high value himself and many teams that will be looking to acquire his talents and skills.

    In his first season with the Crimson Tide in 2017, Buggs was a role player who was suited as a defender to clog running room for opposing offenses. He accounted for 51 total tackles, four tackles for loss, and 1.5 sacks. The next season was a huge breakout year for Buggs playing in a big spotlight. He was part of a hugely experienced defensive line that included Williams and Raekwon Davis. Buggs accounted for 52 total tackles, 23 solo tackles, 13.5 tackles for loss (eighth-most in the SEC), 9.5 sacks (fourth-most in the SEC), three pass deflections, and two forced fumbles. He was eventually named apart of the second-team All-SEC from the Coaches and AP. Buggs showed out at the 2019 Senior Bowl by being named one of the 10 players of the week.

    Strengths
    possesses a big body and connects hard at the point of first contact with the offensive line;
    quick burst and violent movement off the snap;
    motor makes a tough defender to stop when attacking the outside shoulder or penetrating the interior;
    possesses great hands which can quickly give the edge in either the run game or the pass rush;
    huge frame that fits most of the NFL’s most prolific defensive linemen;
    very intelligent in reading plays in terms of recognizing run plays, screens, or passing plays;
    Physical and highly aggressive when contacting the offensive lineman;
    Can play in a weakside defensive end 3-4 front or a three-technique tackle in a 4-3 front;
    has great leverage when hitting the offensive line.

    Weaknesses
    lacks the elite speed and overall athleticism to beat the more limber offensive linemen;
    lacks overall burst after the first step;
    rarely beats the tackle off the edge outside hand moves;
    has a habit of overthinking on certain plays where he takes his time to address what play the offense is running;
    tends to sit on run blocks too long to see if he can make the play;
    he doesn’t create consistent penetration when addressing the offensive scheme;
    tends to be slower than most of the top defensive ends in this draft.
    NFL Comparison: Cliff Avril

    Teams with Need at Position: Atlanta Falcons, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Cincinnati Bengals, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Indianapolis Colts, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks, Tennessee Titans

    Projection: middle of the third round to top of the fourth round

    Bottom Line
    Buggs will likely fill in with any team that needs to add serious depth to their defensive line. The good thing for him is that he is more versatile than most solid edge rushers as an inside defensive lineman or an edge. Some of the teams that have been looking to address the defensive line in the third round including the Bills, Panthers, 49ers, and Patriots might be good fits. Others include the Giants, Titans, and Bengals.

    He will be able to continue his post-collegiate success in his NFL Draft journey at the 2019 Scouting Combine. Depending on how well he does in the Combine in front of NFL scouts, coaches, and general managers, his stock will either rise or fall.

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    Buggs has promise, but I see him as more of a potential replacement for LT Walton than a replacement for Big Dan McCullers.

    Where did you get the draft profile you posted? It seemed pretty solid overall (other than their ultimate comparison to Cliff Avril, which didn't make too much sense since Buggs seems to outweigh Avril by nearly 50 pounds of so).
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Buggs has promise, but I see him as more of a potential replacement for LT Walton than a replacement for Big Dan McCullers.

    Where did you get the draft profile you posted? It seemed pretty solid overall (other than their ultimate comparison to Cliff Avril, which didn't make too much sense since Buggs seems to outweigh Avril by nearly 50 pounds of so).
    my bad..usually include links but was too quick on the 'send' button....

    https://lastwordonprofootball.com/20...draft-profile/

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Buggs has promise, but I see him as more of a potential replacement for LT Walton than a replacement for Big Dan McCullers.

    Where did you get the draft profile you posted? It seemed pretty solid overall (other than their ultimate comparison to Cliff Avril, which didn't make too much sense since Buggs seems to outweigh Avril by nearly 50 pounds of so).
    Agreed.

    Frankly, looks like an Aaron Jones skillset

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