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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh wow View Post
    Tomlin has 2 years left.

    I’ve never heard a coach called a lame duck with 2 years left.

    Now if we miss the playoffs and he isn’t extended and has one year left to prove it, then we all know what that means.

    I just can’t accept folks trying to turn 2 years left on a contract into a prove it or lose it scenario.

    I was duped into thinking this was his last year due to the chatter but this is a non story until next August if he isn’t extended.
    This is the mistake that I was making before (maybe even earlier in this thread).

    Based on comments I had read, I assumed that the upcoming season was the last in Tomlin's contract. If that were true, he'd be a lame duck coach (going into the last year without a contract).

    Turns out that's incorrect because he has 2 years left. He wouldn't be a lame duck unless he was not extended by NEXT off season.

    Maybe this was a simple mistake by those who originally started bringing this up. Or maybe some people are being intentionally deceptive to try to validate their irrational emotional dislike of Tomlin.

    It's like the time when I believed a poster's comments stating that McVay took essentially the same roster as Fisher to the playoffs. Ruthless then showed that this was not a true statement either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    This is the mistake that I was making before (maybe even earlier in this thread).

    Based on comments I had read, I assumed that the upcoming season was the last in Tomlin's contract. If that were true, he'd be a lame duck coach (going into the last year without a contract).

    Turns out that's incorrect because he has 2 years left. He wouldn't be a lame duck unless he was not extended by NEXT off season.

    Maybe this was a simple mistake by those who originally started bringing this up. Or maybe some people are being intentionally deceptive to try to validate their irrational emotional dislike of Tomlin.

    It's like the time when I believed a poster's comments stating that McVay took essentially the same roster as Fisher to the playoffs. Ruthless then showed that this was not a true statement either.
    In their defense, the media started writing about his extension like he had one year left.

    I think when we miss the playoffs the local media goes into overdrive because they know fans are angry and looking for some get back.

    So dude acting like it’s a lame duck season or proof he is on his way out aren’t being honest. Just trying to stir the pot.

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    I really like what I'm hearing out of Steelers camp thus far. I'm honestly not overly concerned about Tomlin at this point. To me its about player development and staying healthy the next few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    I really like what I'm hearing out of Steelers camp thus far. I'm honestly not overly concerned about Tomlin at this point. To me its about player development and staying healthy the next few months.
    I agree 100%.

    With 2 years left, I think contract extension this year is a non issue.

    I think that development is critical for success of this team because we're relying on having good to great contributions from a variety of young players (Bush, Edmunds, Washington, Johnson) and a new UFA acquisition (Nelson).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I agree 100%.

    With 2 years left, I think contract extension this year is a non issue.

    I think that development is critical for success of this team because we're relying on having good to great contributions from a variety of young players (Bush, Edmunds, Washington, Johnson) and a new UFA acquisition (Nelson).
    I’m upset I even entertained the hot takes about his “last year”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    I really like what I'm hearing out of Steelers camp thus far. I'm honestly not overly concerned about Tomlin at this point. To me its about player development and staying healthy the next few months.
    It's too quiet... doesn't that make you worried something is about to blow up soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    It's too quiet... doesn't that make you worried something is about to blow up soon?
    Minicamp wrapped up last week on 6/13/19.

    The team won't convene again until everyone reports to training camp in Latrobe on 7/25/19.

    We are now one week in to what should (hopefully) be the quietest six week stretch of the NFL football calendar.

    Players, coaches, and front office staff are now on vacation, aside from running a kids' summer football camp here and there.

    No real news is actually really good news for us during this time period.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Buy Or Sell: Mike Tomlin Will End Career As Winningest Coach In Steelers History

    By Matthew Marczi
    Posted on July 16, 2019

    The offseason is inevitably a period of projection and speculation, which makes it the ideal time to ponder the hypotheticals that the Pittsburgh Steelers will face over the course of the next year, whether it is addressing free agency, the draft, performance on the field, or some more ephemeral topic.

    That is what I will look to address in our Buy or Sell series. In each installment, I will introduce a topic statement and weigh some of the arguments for either buying it (meaning that you agree with it or expect it to be true) or selling it (meaning you disagree with it or expect it to be false).

    The range of topics will be intentionally wide, from the general to the specific, from the immediate to that in the far future. And as we all tend to have an opinion on just about everything, I invite you to share your own each morning on the topic statement of the day.

    Topic Statement: Mike Tomlin will end his career as the winningest coach in team history.

    Explanation: Chuck Noll had one of the longest coaching careers in NFL history. His 23 seasons as the Steelers’ head coach from 1969 to 1991 is the eighth-most time spent in that capacity for a team in NFL history. He produced 193 wins out of it, the ninth-most in NFL history. Bill Cowher won 149 games (20th-most) in his 15 seasons in Pittsburgh, but Tomlin, in 12 years, has already accumulated 125 wins, with comfortably the best winning percentage of the group.

    Buy:

    Tomlin needs another 69 wins in his career to overtake Noll for the most wins in NFL history. If he continues his current pace, that means he would need to coach for another seven seasons, as he wins a little over 10 games per season on average.

    One of the aspects of this discussion that plays into his favor is that he became a head coach at a young age. When he took the job, he was coaching a guy that he played against in college in James Farrior. He was 35 in his first season in Pittsburgh.

    At an average of 10 wins per season over the next seven seasons, he would be 52 by the time he surpassed Noll’s mark of 193 career victories, which needless to say is far from old for a head coach. We don’t even need to talk about Bill Belichick to talk about that.

    Sell:

    But there are two major ways that this could easily fall apart. One is a precipitous drop in production once he loses his franchise quarterback. Ben Roethlisberger might play more than his three-year contract, but it’s highly doubtful that he lasts seven more years. Usually, a team coming off a franchise quarterback experiences a drought that can last a while.

    The Steelers are not prone to firing coaches, but it’s always a possibility once something like that takes place. And beyond that factor, we also have to consider the type of person Tomlin is. While he’s highly competitive by nature, he is also a multi-faceted individual and a family man.

    He’s not necessarily somebody who wants to coach until he dies. He’s already won a Super Bowl and had great success. A lot can happen over seven years. Remember, Cowher was also 35 when he got the job. He retired after 15 seasons and has never seriously flirted with getting back on the sideline.

    https://steelersdepot.com/2019/07/bu...elers-history/

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    Steelers' Mike Tomlin isn't here to be understood

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    Jeremy Fowler
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    PITTSBURGH -- After working the halls of a national coaches convention, Mike Tomlin grabbed a chair. Legendary coach Bobby Bowden was speaking, and Tomlin, then a young position coach in the college ranks, sought wisdom to take back to his meeting rooms.

    Tomlin's older brother was alongside him as Bowden delivered the double-take message to the crowd of 20-somethings about two decades ago.

    "He said, 'I treat players according to how fast they are,'" Ed Tomlin said. "We kind of laughed at how honest that was."

    Mike Tomlin has the Super Bowl cachet to headline those conventions now. He also is known to be just as honest about his treatment of players, which only deepens the intrigue for his crucial 13th season with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    Despite racking up 125 regular-season wins since 2007, second to the New England Patriots' Bill Belichick among active coaches during that span, Tomlin faced scrutiny last season for the Steelers' late collapse, their propensity for making headlines and a rocky relationship with former receiver Antonio Brown, who many former teammates believe received star treatment in Pittsburgh.

    Tomlin remained unapologetically himself through that storm, unmoved by a players' coach label or what he called chatter. He publicly stated he treats everyone fairly but not exactly the same.

    He is not concerned with being misunderstood. Winning rises above that, which is why Tomlin considers himself "ready for battle" in 2019.

    "I shaped my reputation in this business and this outlook in this business being singularly focused on the task at hand," Tomlin told ESPN in a sit-down interview from his hometown of Hampton, Virginia, where he appeared at a fundraiser for the Hampton Roads Youth Foundation. "So I'd be kidding you if I told you I had a certain edge because of what happened in 2018. I just have a certain edge because I better have a certain edge. This business that I’m in dictates that I better have a certain edge, and I embrace that element of it.”

    The organization prefers stability at the top, having famously employed just three head coaches since 1969. What Tomlin does during the Steelers' 2019 campaign will strengthen the organization's faith in him or test its limits.

    With Brown and Le'Veon Bell in new uniforms and the Steelers no longer a trendy Super Bowl pick, those who know Tomlin believe he is at his best when doubted.

    His players are eager to find out.

    "Every team except one team in the NFL would love to have him," said Steelers linebacker Anthony Chickillo, making the obvious nod to the New England Patriots, who have won six Super Bowls with Belichick. "His résumé speaks for itself. That's what I want out of a coach."

    Veteran guard Ramon Foster takes that analogy a step further.

    "I'm sure if you ask all 1,200 players in this league which one [of the coaches] they'd rather play for, he's at the top of the list," said Foster, a 10-year starter on Pittsburgh's offensive line.

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    The 2016 Steelers were 4-5, and Arthur Moats saw a lack of discipline in his team.

    That's when Tomlin set a tone with enforcement, from player fines for tardiness to policing toes on the line during sprints. Pittsburgh won seven straight to secure a playoff berth.

    "The team responded and we went on a run," said Moats, a Steelers linebacker from 2014 to 2017. "He can do that if he needs to. No matter the adversity he's faced, he's always found a way to motivate the guys, to create a plan that works, to make an adjustment.

    "Now, with the way things played out with AB, he can make sure to avoid those reoccurrences."

    Those who have called Tomlin too friendly with players had a convenient talking point with Brown, who forced a trade after missing multiple work days in 2018. The perception of a star player leaving fuels those critics. Former Steelers such as James Harrison have claimed Tomlin needs to command more from his locker room, citing Belichick's disciplinary style resonating in New England.

    Player-coach dynamics are complex, of course. Micromanaging fines or discipline can take time away from preparing to win games, Moats said, making a self-policing locker room crucial.

    Tomlin prefers to focus on acquiring "quality men who happen to be quality players," he said. "It starts there."

    Pro Football Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy hired Tomlin while with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2001.

    "When you win, that’s considered a strength. When you lose, that can be the reason you’re losing. It comes back to winning. I don’t think Mike is going to change. That’s not who he is," Dungy said of Tomlin's style. "He’s not the type to babysit with a lot of rules. He’ll expect players to be the driving force and set the tone. He's a proven leader and proven winner."

    [to be continued in subsequent post]
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Where Tomlin might showcase the most discipline is in one-on-one settings. Tomlin is "not a bulls----er" with players, Chickillo said, and many have a personalized story to illustrate as much. Tomlin has challenged running backs -- from Bell to DeAngelo Williams and James Conner -- to lose weight to maximize results. All of them did, then produced on the field.

    Former Steelers safety Ryan Clark remembers Tomlin once telling him more disciplined play would elevate his career. Clark eventually became a team captain.

    Foster calls Tomlin "that uncle you just don't want to piss off."

    "You know you can be who you want to be, but if you step out of line ... he can be a real problem if you take him down that lane," Foster said. "Guys understand what we have to do because of the amount of respect we have for him and how he allows us to be men."

    That's why the coach's brother laughs at the notion that Tomlin is too easy on players.

    "Nobody is treated the same, but he treats people as individuals," said Ed Tomlin, who played football at Maryland. "That’s what makes him a great coach. People need someone in their lives to tell them the truth. I don’t know why that’s perceived as a negative thing. It’s a deed-based business. These are grown men. That [hard discipline] doesn’t fly anymore. He’s a new-age coach who doesn’t rule by fear.”

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    Tomlin will enforce rules when necessary, and prioritizing change -- even if subtle -- can usher the Steelers past a bitter season.

    Tomlin is on record as being open to that -- "We all need to look in the mirror," he said at the NFL owners meetings in March -- but his exact plan is unclear. One tangible move is hiring defensive assistant Teryl Austin, who will coach from the booth and help Tomlin with replay challenges on game days. The decision seems overdue for a head coach who has lost his past 10 challenges.

    While Tomlin might interact differently with Ben Roethlisberger as opposed to a special-teamer, certain guidelines should be universally applied for Tomlin to maximize results with this team, Moats said.

    "You have to have certain things in place where, no matter what, you’re always going to stand on," Moats said. "When we talk about fines, if you fine guys for being late, it shouldn’t matter who it is. Certain things have to hold more weight. Whatever he decides on, it will be, 'No matter who it is, I have to do this.'"

    The Steelers can hope the losses of Brown and Bell eliminate distractions and employ an addition-by-subtraction approach. Perhaps that is naive, considering their elite talents. But Tomlin might as well have been talking directly to Conner and receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster when he told the media he has two Pro Bowlers to replace the departed stars; the coach is emboldening them to take massive leaps in Year 3.

    Roethlisberger is coming off a healthy season with a league-high 5,129 yards on 675 passing attempts. Despite taking shots publicly from former teammates over leadership concerns, Roethlisberger will be the team's central figure in 2019; he signed a three-year contract this offseason. Tomlin has worked hard to jell with Roethlisberger, who at the end of last season cited a friendship with his head coach.

    None of that legwork matters much without results.

    "I acknowledge that there are some significant changes, but talking about it is not going to dictate the outcome," Tomlin said about the 2019 season outlook. "You won’t hear a lot of bold predictions from us. That is not our style; that is not appropriate. We know that we are judged based on performance anyway."

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    Now, players seem ready to talk for Tomlin.

    "Personally, I don't think he needs to motivate us," Chickillo said. "We're already plenty motivated. Not many are believing in us right now."

    Defense will drive the performance. Redirecting Tomlin's legacy in Pittsburgh will require improvement from a unit that mixes flashes of brilliance with uneven play. The Steelers have struggled drafting cornerbacks. Not one of their five corners selected in the 2015-17 drafts are projected to start in 2019. The release of safety Morgan Burnett is a reminder that the Steelers' heavily used dime package still needs tweaking.

    With his weighty influence on that side of the ball, Tomlin often urges his defense to "trim the fat" -- that is, run a select number of plays cleanly rather than overload with superfluous options. But the defense run by Tomlin and coordinator Keith Butler can be difficult for young defensive backs, in part because of the pre- and post-snap reads. A defensive back might have three reads once the play starts.

    Helping a rebuilt secondary to play smart but free football will be crucial.

    "One thing he probably doesn’t get enough credit for is his football mind," Moats said of Tomlin. "The things he sees and is able to communicate, it doesn’t always work or we can’t execute at that level of detail, but the tendencies he’s able to pick up on is what makes him a special coach. Within that, he's coaching at a doctorate level, and sometimes that can be a lot for young players. All 11 players getting it right on Sundays is the challenge."

    And a challenge Dungy expects Tomlin to meet and exceed.

    Dungy hasn't spoken to Tomlin recently, but Dungy has a go-to line for him whenever he does: "You've got great instincts, so trust them."

    A Steelers defensive back in the late 1970s, Dungy believes the organization will support the coach.

    "Things generally tend to work out when you're true to yourself," Dungy said. "Like Chuck Noll always said, 'You don’t leave the game plan.'"

    https://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/30526/steelers-mike-tomlin-isnt-here-to-be-understood
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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