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Thread: 2019 Steelers by position: WR. Are we better off?

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    As long as none of the WR's get frost bitten feet in August, we're definitely better off...

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    And that ladies & gentlemen, is the final answer.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I see Juju and Washington starting on the outside with Switzer in the slot.

    I think those are the 3 that will take a huge step forward.

    I also hope to see Samuels in more of a hyrbid HBack role this year. He's got so much upside as a receiver, I hate to see him waste away on the sideline.
    I think it's more likely to have Juju as our starting flanker and Moncrief as our starting split end, and then when we go 3-wide, Juju moves into the slot and Washington enters as the new flanker outside.

    I agree with using Samuels more in roles other than a traditional RB. He lined up all over the place at N.C. State...total utility man. I think since our depth at TE behind Vance is not as strong this year with only X. Grimble and Z. Gentry back there, Samuels could be a quasi-TE H-back type for us like, say, Chris Cooley was in Washington back in the day. Or he could also be like former Cardinal Larry Centers out of the backfield.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Spaghetti View Post
    my point is that none of these guys are tough cuts because of talent and neither are any of them legitimate trade bait

    after juju it's a bunch of question marks
    I think Rogers and Switzer probably have a bit of trade value. Not a huge return, but maybe swapping a 5th for a 6th, or even a conditional 6th/7th rounder. The rest - I'd agree. No trade value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    I think Rogers and Switzer probably have a bit of trade value. Not a huge return, but maybe swapping a 5th for a 6th, or even a conditional 6th/7th rounder. The rest - I'd agree. No trade value.
    Or just a player-for-player swap to a team who might be hurting at WR but has more depth than we have at TE or safety.

    We could give a WR-needy team our borderline WR5/6 guy on the roster bubble for their borderline TE3/4 on the roster bubble or whatever.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Or just a player-for-player swap to a team who might be hurting at WR but has more depth than we have at TE or safety.

    We could give a WR-needy team our borderline WR5/6 guy on the roster bubble for their borderline TE3/4 on the roster bubble or whatever.
    I suggest a trade with the Raiders...

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    we are fooling ourselves, Huge step back in the passing game this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    we are fooling ourselves, Huge step back in the passing game this year
    I'm curious as to why you think that is the case. Is it because of WR personnell? Perhaps, because of a changed emphasis back to the run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    we are fooling ourselves, Huge step back in the passing game this year
    Totally disagree. We are a better WR corps then last year. But...we will run the ball more this year so expecting Ben to lead the league in passing yardage isn't going to happen.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    I think we throw the ball less, but not by a truly significant amount. Maybe 1 less pass per quarter...that would come out to 4 less passes per game, and thus 64 less passes over the course of a season. Maybe 500 or so less yards through the air over the course of a whole season. Instead of 34 TD passes, maybe Ben falls back into the usual amount in the high 20's instead (28 or 29 TD). More importantly, though, I could see his interception number dropping from 16 down into single digits (8 or 9 INT). That's the most important stat right there.

    Essentially, I see our raw passing numbers being lower across the board, but I expect his overall efficiency to improve as he stops trying to force the ball into tight spots to appease an egomaniac diva type and just distributes the ball to whoever happens to be open on a given play.

    And if we pass the ball a few times less per game, we can run the ball a few times more, controlling the clock a bit more to help our defense, and if we balance those carries out a bit better between Conner, Samuels, and Snell (maybe something like a 60%-25%-15% distribution rather than just running the wheels off your bellcow every year), we'll be better off for it as an overall team.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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