Dunno. Santonio Holmes?Originally Posted by dreegking
Dunno. Santonio Holmes?
I don't really believe in draft grades unless they are 3 or 4 years down the road. Nobody knows whether the player is going to be good or bad. That's why I wonder why some people are always so negative when they really don't have any idea. I'd rather be positive for the team I support.
Some people on here care more about the draft than the games.
A few games into the season they are already talking about the crop of kids for next year.
I agree though, I don’t understand how folks are so negative before they even see the field but those types have existed forever. They always complain and see the worst in everything... this way they still feel pretty good even when things go bad.
PFF ranks Steelers as most improved team in AFC North after 2019 NFL Draft
And looking at the draft classes of their rivals, it is not hard to see why.
By Simon Chester
May 2, 2019, 1:45pm EDT
While acknowledging that post-draft grades may be one of the most pointless exercises undertaken each year, we cannot deny taking some enjoyment from reading reports that paint the Pittsburgh Steelers in a positive light. But as much as some might take comfort in knowing that their team possibly fared better than some other random franchise in the opposing conference they do not really care about, perhaps the only comparison that matters is how well a team did when compared to their divisional rivals.
Last year, it was Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns being heralded for their 2018 draft class, with both teams receiving plaudits for the two first-round selections they each had. The Steelers left languishing last in the rankings, perceived to have taken safety Terrell Edmunds too early.
Deciding the real winner in 2019 is obviously far too premature, as it is at this stage in any year, but if Mike Renner of Pro Football Focus is any judge of talent, Pittsburgh may yet get a step on their rivals with their draft class after he ranked them as the most improved team in the AFC North for their picks.
“Pittsburgh made one of the biggest moves of the first round when they moved up for Devin Bush. After Bush and Devin White, there wasn’t a single linebacker in the class that could replicate their ability in coverage. From there, they got two other PFF favorites in Toledo wide receiver Diontae Johnson and Michigan State cornerback Justin Layne. Johnson drew comps to Antonio Brown from a stylistic perspective inside the PFF offices while Layne is much more suited to zone coverage than former first-rounder Artie Burns.”Choosing two players who had long been PFF favorites in Diontae Johnson and Justin Layne was always going to meet with the approval of Renner, as was the selection of Sutton Smith in round six, one of the highest graded players in company history.The most improved team in the AFC North according to @PFF_Mike is the #Steelers after the draft.
This guy is a big reason why.
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— PFF PIT Steelers (@PFF_Steelers) May 2, 2019
Looking at the draft classes assembled by the rest of the AFC North, there certainly seems to be a number of questionable selections mixed in with solid picks for each team. Cornerback Greedy Williams may ultimately prove to something of a steal for the Cleveland Browns, but many believe linebacker Sione Takitaki went too soon and a kicker in round five was always bound to raise eyebrows.New San Francisco 49ers edge defender Nick Bosa put forth the PFF College era's highest ever single-season grade for his effort in 2017 pic.twitter.com/kFslctNUOm
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) May 1, 2019
Edge rusher Jaylon Ferguson is another player that many experts thought the Baltimore Ravens had taken too early in round three, ranked as PFF’s No.143 overall player. And while offensive tackle Jonah Williams should be a solid pick in round one, tight end Drew Sample and linebacker Germaine Pratt were two names many expected to still be available at the start of day three. Sample coming off the board in the second-round might have been one of the bigger reaches of day two on paper, a player ranked at No. 192 overall on PFF’s board.
As always, time will tell how good each respective draft class actually was, but with no real football until September, fictional bragging rights will have to do for now.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-bush-nfl-news
Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
Pittsburgh Steelers Fact or Fiction: Post-NFL Draft edition
BTSC takes five bold statements surrounding the completed Steelers and the 2019 Draft and labels them as Fact or Fiction.
By Bryan Anthony Davis
May 2, 2019, 11:08am EDT
There are many narratives surrounding the Steelers after the completion of the 2019 NFL Draft in Nashville. With so many questions to be answered on the need to trade up or reaches or how a player will actually play...BTSC takes bold statements and labels them as Fact or Fiction.
Lets take a gander.
•Devin Bush needs to be a Week One starter to justify trading up.
Fiction
Bush is a strong candidate to start the Steelers’ opener in New England, but it is not absolutely necessary. The thought process is that Bush will probably seize the spot, but it all depends on how exactly they view Mark Barron. My guess is that the newly-minted No. 55 is starting in prime time, but he’ll see a lot of time even if he doesn’t.
• Comparisons of Diontae Johnson to Antonio Brown are fair to put on the third rounder.
Fiction
If Johnson is statistically half as good as AB, you have a great selection. Yes, he is of comparable body dimensions and comes from the MAC. He also possesses good hands and decent route running ability, plus a lot of fans never heard of him. However, let this kid be his own player. He doesn’t need the comparisons or pressure to justify his selection. Let this all play out.
•Justin Layne should be the one to break the streak of underwhelming picks at the cornerback position.
Fact
The Michigan State CB had First Round grades from many teams, but the whole position group dropped with only Deandre Baker going at the end of the First. Layne is 6’2” with good coverage skills as a bump-and-run corner. He could be next man up and will likely start at times late in the season. There is a strong opinion among fans and “experts” that Layne could be a draft steal.
•Lack of size will sink Sutton Smith
Fiction
Ryan Shazier, at 6’1” and 229 lbs., is merely an inch taller and four pounds lighter than Smith at 6’ and 233. Smith plays with a ton of heart and sacked QBs 15 times with 26.5 tackles-for-loss in 2018. He had 14 and 30 respectively in 2017. The Norther Illinois product will have to earn his way on via special teams, but I’d bet on him to do something special when he does.
•Seven of the nine selections make the 53-man roster
Fact
Kevin Colbert got this one right. The top four selections of the Steelers (Bush, Johnson, Layne and Snell Jr.) should very well make the roster with ease. With the lack of depth at TE and Bucky Hodges having been released, Zach Gentry should be the TE3 on the 53. The next four guys have battles in camp, but I can see Buggs push past McCullers and Sutton Smith get the nod over “Dirty Red” Matakevich because of ST play, regardless of his being an ILB or OLB. Ulysses Gilbert and Derwin Gray may need to start out on the Practice Squad.
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...e-johnson-news
Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
According to NFL.com, we had the worse draft in the AFC North
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...afc-north-news
well, if they say it then it must be true
NFL experts predict: Answering the 2019 draft's biggest questions
7:30 AM ET
ESPN NFL Experts
Round 1 of the 2019 NFL draft featured six draft-day trades, pass-rushers and defensive linemen galore, and surprises throughout. Rounds 2-7? That's where teams will find the real value.
Our panel of ESPN NFL experts evaluates the new crop of rookies, diving into their favorite picks and answering questions about what we should expect this season. Check back every day this week to see more answers:
Which team's rookie class will make the biggest impact in 2019?
Matt Bowen, NFL analyst: New England Patriots. The Patriots' top four selections should all play roles as rookies. Start with WR N'Keal Harry. He fills a need at the position, with the big body to run inside breaking routes and finish on contested throws. CB Joejuan Williams fits as a man-coverage defender with a monster, 6-foot-4 frame and ball skills at the point of attack. OLB Chase Winovich? He's a versatile edge defender with pass-rush upside. And RB Damien Harris brings a decisive, downhill running style to the Patriots' offense, with the receiving skills and pass-protection ability to square up blitzing linebackers.
Mike Clay, fantasy writer: Seattle Seahawks. Seattle headed to Nashville with a multitude of holes on its roster and did a nice job adding prospects at several of those positions. To name a few, first-round pick L.J. Collier will need to play a gigantic role on the edge, safety Marquise Blair will compete for a Week 1 starting gig opposite Bradley McDougald, and WRs DK Metcalf and Gary Jennings will immediately compete for major snaps with Doug Baldwin seemingly on the verge of retirement.
Dan Graziano, national NFL writer: Oakland Raiders. The Raiders clearly went into the draft looking for players who could start right away, and at this stage, there's no reason to think Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jacobs and Johnathan Abram won't do that. Second-round pick Trayvon Mullen should be in position to at least compete for a starting spot and maybe will win one. The Raiders needed a ton of help, especially on defense, so there's opportunity almost everywhere for rookies to jump in.
KC Joyner, fantasy writer: Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers were a pass-happy team that didn't tackle well and often played uninspired football last season. This draft class was selected to help fix that, as linebacker Devin Bush, cornerback Justin Layne and running back Benny Snell Jr. all add an immediate dose of physicality and toughness to an organization that needs a reminder of what Steelers football is supposed to be.
Mina Kimes, NFL writer: Arizona Cardinals. It's possible that Arizona's first five draft picks could all see the field early in the season. No. 1 overall pick Kyler Murray is the team's starting quarterback, and because the wide receiver group is so shallow, I think he'll throw to second-rounder Andy Isabella and fourth-rounder Hakeem Butler right away. In second-rounder Byron Murphy, the Cardinals found a polished cornerback worthy of playing opposite Patrick Peterson. Defensive end Zach Allen and safety Deionte Thompson both have starter potential as well. Arizona crushed this draft.
Jason Reid, The Undefeated: Arizona Cardinals. No. 1 overall pick Kyler Murray has the tools to have a massive rookie season in the offense new head coach Kliff Kingsbury runs. Given how bad the roster was last season, the Cardinals' other picks figure to get many opportunities as well. Look for second-rounder Byron Murphy to challenge starting corner Robert Alford. Murphy loved to hit in college at Washington.
Mike Sando, senior NFL writer: Arizona Cardinals. Kyler Murray alone could make the greatest impact. There should be plenty of playing time for several other draft choices on both sides of the ball, including second-round corner Byron Murphy.
Kevin Seifert, national NFL writer: Arizona Cardinals. The less talented a team is, the better the chance of an immediate impact from the draft class. And no team has more holes than the Cardinals. An offense centered around Kyler Murray, featuring as many as three receivers from this draft, will draw plenty of attention to this class.
Field Yates, NFL analyst: Oakland Raiders. Part of this is a reflection of the incumbent roster, but the Raiders landed -- reasonably speaking -- four likely Day 1 starters in this class. Josh Jacobs profiles as an obvious workhorse back, Clelin Ferrell helps fill a tremendous need, and Johnathan Abram will be a tone-setter on defense.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/26679818/undefined
Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.
Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.
We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.
We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
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