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    Iowa tight end Noah Fant getting lots of Top 10 interest

    Posted by Darin Gantt on March 28, 2019

    At a time when a future Hall of Fame tight end has walked away, there’s one in this year’s draft who will walk in with high expectations.

    Via Tom Pelissero of NFL Network, Iowa tight end Noah Fant is going to be a busy man for the next month.

    He has 10 pre-draft visits set, and seven of the visits or workouts are with teams picking in the Top 10 in the NFL Draft.

    Fant caught 39 passes for 519 and seven touchdowns this season, and his athleticism is going to make him a potentially immediate offensive threat.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...p-10-interest/

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    I think Foster Moreau in the third round would be a better option for us.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (8 years after Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    I think Foster Moreau in the third round would be a better option for us.
    I'd take that. This kid has good size and is nasty in run blocking. Would also be a good special teams addition right away.

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    Yeah, Moreau would come in strictly as a blocking TE as a rookie (hopefully he'd be able to develop in the pass game as well in subsequent seasons).

    If we drafted Moreau, Vance would be the starting TE, Grimble would be the backup TE we might incorporate in passing situations, and Moreau would be the backup TE we might incorporate in running situations.

    Ideally, I would like to be able to add a TE who would be an asset in both the pass game as well as the run game, someone who could be a 1a/1b along with Vance in 2 TE sets that we could pass or run out of with essentially equal effectiveness without needing to sub new players in or out all the time (if we don't need to substitute, then we could go no huddle and force the defense to keep the same personnel out there as well and start to take advantage of potential mismatches).
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Among the mid-round TE prospects, rather than targets one of the board favorite such as Foster Moreau (who could be an asset as a blocker right away, but his contributions in the pass game may never catch up to make him a complete TE), or Jace Sternberger (who could be an asset as a pass catcher right away, but his contributions as a blocker in the run game may never catch up to make him a complete TE), I would prefer to look for guys who are reasonably solid in both respects and therefore could be a solid #2 behind Vance with eventual starter potential.

    Guys like Josh Oliver from San Jose State, Kahale Warring from San Diego State, and Dawson Knox from Ole Miss would all be on my radar in that 3b/4 area.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Chris Hogan was just signed by the Panthers; So the Pats are down another WR. Gotta think that they are taking a WR at the end of round one. Maybe Butler?
    From the 2010-2018 season, (8 years after Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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    Honest question about the TE's - it's rare for college TE's to have crazy high production. Neither Hockenson or Fant have insane college numbers (45-55 catches ~600 yards). I looked back and those numbers are similar to Heath's, Vernon Davis who was highly touted out of college but I'm not sure lived up to the hype in the NFL, Gronk & David Njoku (I just randomly picked a few guys to check out college stats).
    So I'm genuinely curious - what is it about Hockenson or Fant that seem to make them "no miss" prospects? I know all draft picks, particularly first rounders have the potential to not live up to the hype, so perhaps they're no more a sure thing than any other option. But some on the board are big on both of them, so I'm just wondering what it is about them that sets them apart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick'sTeam View Post
    Honest question about the TE's - it's rare for college TE's to have crazy high production. Neither Hockenson or Fant have insane college numbers (45-55 catches ~600 yards). I looked back and those numbers are similar to Heath's, Vernon Davis who was highly touted out of college but I'm not sure lived up to the hype in the NFL, Gronk & David Njoku (I just randomly picked a few guys to check out college stats).
    So I'm genuinely curious - what is it about Hockenson or Fant that seem to make them "no miss" prospects? I know all draft picks, particularly first rounders have the potential to not live up to the hype, so perhaps they're no more a sure thing than any other option. But some on the board are big on both of them, so I'm just wondering what it is about them that sets them apart?
    Hock combines the competitiveness with the athleticism and the intelligence. He already has experience as an inline blocker, and possess a good hand punch, solid feet, and he is able to lock in to someone and finish his block. Although he is not the freaky elite level of athlete that Fant is, he certainly possess above-average athleticism, which is more than enough to create separation vs. linebackers and safeties. He runs sharp routes and is able to accelerate out of his cuts and box out defenders in close. Provides a wide catch radius and hands like glue. Considering that he had another first-round talent on the same team, he was still very productive in a major conference with 49 catches for 760 yards and 6 TD's. I literally have difficulty coming up with negatives when talking about this guy. I actually think he is already very Heath-like and can only improve from there.

    Fant, on the other hand, I'm not nearly as sold on. His production is good and the measurables are absolutely eye-popping, but he's more of a "big WR" type than a true TE. It's funny that you mention Vernon Davis, because that's kind of how I see Fant. Davis also had ridiculous combine numbers, and although he's had a reasonably solid NFL career, he was nowhere near the dynamic talent that many thought he could be.

    I think Hock is a significantly better blocker who also has better hands, runs crisper routes, is better at finding holes in zones, etc. Really, the only thing that Fant does better than Hock is run faster in a straight line, jump higher, etc. In my mind, Hockenson is a sure thing, while with Fant there may be some...I don't want to say bust potential because I don't think he'll be a bust...so I guess disappointment potential...he could be a solid enough receiver at the next level but may not be the dominant gamebreaker that many are hoping for. We'll see.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Chris Hogan was just signed by the Panthers; So the Pats are down another WR. Gotta think that they are taking a WR at the end of round one. Maybe Butler?
    or maybe a TE, they lost Gronk also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteel View Post
    or maybe a TE, they lost Gronk also.
    Now if Hockenson fell to them or Fant, yeah. But if not, I could see them taking Butler. And the Cardinals like Butler too.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (8 years after Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

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