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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    The Steelers at least have to respect Hilton's approach. I wonder if they are debating the value for a slot CB?
    This.

    I get the comparison to AV because the strategy is the same. But there's a huge difference in value between LT and slot CB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    This.

    I get the comparison to AV because the strategy is the same. But there's a huge difference in value between LT and slot CB.
    True..... I appreciate Hilton. I think we all do. But you can't pay all 22 starters big deal money.
    From the 2010-2018 season, (An 8 year period that the majority of Cowher's players & coaches had left) Mike Tomlin has only won 3 playoff games. And two of those wins were against back up Quarterbacks. Our history has been defined by what we do in the postseason; not the regular season.

    My official proclamation: WE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL WITH MIKE TOMLIN AS OUR HEAD COACH. SO WHY DELAY THE INEVITABLE?

    FIRE MIKE TOMLIN

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelerkeylargo View Post
    Agreed, he certainly deserves more than $650k
    Sure, when he is on the open market, he does. Under the collectively bargained rules, he does not "deserve" anything more right now. If you pay him a bit more now, he needs to take a discount on what he would be able to get on the open market. The Steelers are not and should not be in the business of running a charity, but if you work a deal similar to AV, where you buy out some free agency years at a discount, that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    Sure, when he is on the open market, he does. Under the collectively bargained rules, he does not "deserve" anything more right now. If you pay him a bit more now, he needs to take a discount on what he would be able to get on the open market. The Steelers are not and should not be in the business of running a charity, but if you work a deal similar to AV, where you buy out some free agency years at a discount, that makes sense.
    It’s not a charity to lock someone in long term at a bargain vs waiting until he hits FA.

    That’s not charity. That’s smart business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh wow View Post
    It’s not a charity to lock someone in long term at a bargain vs waiting until he hits FA.

    That’s not charity. That’s smart business.
    I realize that, which is why I advocate signing him to a long term deal only if it is beneficial, i.e., only if there is a discount on a few free agent years. Paying him more because he's "worth more" would be a case of charity, just as it would if the Steelers gave him the same deal he could get if he was an unrestricted free agent.

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    Dulac Doesn’t Believe CB Mike Hilton Will Get New Contract This Summer

    By Dave Bryan
    Posted on June 19, 2019

    Five weeks from tomorrow the Pittsburgh Steelers will report to Saint Vincent College for the start of their 2019 training camp and thus will begin the annual watch for which players might ultimately sign new contracts prior to the start of the regular season. The list of prospective players who could feasible sign new contracts before the regular season gets underway includes cornerback Joe Haden, defensive tackle Javon Hargrave, center/guard B.J. Finney, safety Sean Davis and cornerback Mike Hilton. As for the last player on that list, Hilton, speculation seems to be growing that he’ll not ultimately sign a contract extension this offseason.

    During his weekly online chat Wednesday morning, longtime Steelers beat writer Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette was asked if he thinks Hilton will ultimately sign a contract extension later this summer and he indicated that he doesn’t see such a transaction occurring.

    “No I don’t,” Dulac wrote. “I do not see the Steelers giving a new contract to a player who they knew had problems in coverage last season. And not sure if he plans to report or not.”

    Overall, Dulac’s speculation about Hilton’s summer contractual situation is fair. After all, Hilton, who signed originally with the Steelers as a member of their practice squad in December of 2016, has only played two full seasons with the team on his way to registering 121 total tackles, 3 interceptions, 1 forced fumble and 5 sacks in a little more than 1,350 total defensive snaps played. Also, while Hilton’s play last season wasn’t awful by any stretch, it seemingly wasn’t as good as it was during the 2017 regular season.

    According to coverage stats kept by Sports Info Solutions, Hilton was targeted 58 total times last season and he allowed 36 completions for 402 yards and 2 touchdowns while intercepting one pass, which had been previously deflected at the line of scrimmage. He was, however, credited last season with 8 defensed passes and two dropped interceptions. As for his 2017 season, Hilton was targeted 39 times in total and allowed 25 receptions for 186 yards with no touchdowns and 2 interceptions. He was also credited with 2 dropped interceptions that season and 4 defensed passes to go along with 3 pass deflections.

    Also keep in mind that Hilton is a nickel cornerback and thus he’s not going to be an every-down player like tackle Alejandro Villanueva, who parlayed the exclusive rights tender he received from the Steelers a few offseasons ago into a long-term contract extension upon his arrival for the start of training camp that year. While Hilton is attempting to follow Villanueva’s past path step-by-step, that path could ultimately and quite easily have a different ending.

    What Hilton might now be looking for in the way of a new money average and fully guaranteed money might also play a huge part in whether or not he ultimately gets a new contract from the Steelers later this summer. In fact, if he expects to get anything close to what the Indianapolis Colts just gave to their young slot cornerback, Kenny Moore, he can forget about it. According to former NFL agent Joel Corry, who now writes for CBS Sports, Moore’s new extension he just signed included $9 million fully guaranteed of which $8 million is a 2019 roster bonus. While Moore’s new extension reportedly didn’t include a signing bonus, according to what Corry told me on Wednesday, his new money average comes in at $8.325 million.

    The Steelers currently have less than one million in available salary space for the 2019 season and while that number will surely grow by several million between now and the start of the regular season, any new deal signed by Hilton, should he get one, would increase his currently scheduled salary cap charge by at least a million and maybe more, depending on the amount of the signing bonus. While that’s not a huge hindrance in the grand scheme of things, it’s just one other tiny detail that needs to be considered.

    While Dulac stated during his Wednesday chat that he’s unsure if Hilton plans to report for the start of training camp on time, it’s hard to imagine the former undrafted free agent out of Mississippi not being at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe alongside the rest of teammates five weeks from tomorrow. Assuming he does indeed show up on time, him then finally signing his exclusive rights tender he received back in February in the amount of $645,000 will probably take place soon thereafter. By the way, and for whatever it’s worth, last week Hilton said that the thought of him holding out at the start of training camp is something that’s never crossed his mind.

    Personally, Hilton might be best-served to just play out his 2019 season for $645,000 and hope it’s his best one to date. If that’s what ultimately happens the Steelers would then likely have no choice but to issue him a second-round restricted tender next February, or risk losing him to another team during free agency. The amount of such tender is already speculated to be $3.278 million.

    It certainly will be interesting to see how Hilton’s situation ultimately plays out this summer. However, with not too many past Steelers players being able to turn offseason exclusive rights tenders into contract extensions that same summer, and combined with a few other players more likely to sign contract extensions during the month of August, don’t be surprised if Dulac’s speculation about Hilton’s immediate future winds up being right on the money.

    https://steelersdepot.com/2019/06/du...t-this-summer/

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    Looking ahead, not behind

    Mike Prisuta
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    Saturday, Jun 29, 2019

    Mike Hilton insisted he didn’t feel particularly picked on as a 5-foot-9, 180-pound, second-year slot cornerback last season, but he acknowledged there were times when he didn’t measure up.

    Fourth-and-goal from the Steelers’ 6-yard line with 25 seconds left in regulation and the Steelers clinging to a 21-17 lead last Dec. 9 in Oakland was such an occasion.
    “I tried to do too much and it caused us to have a big loss,” Hilton recalled during OTAs.

    Hilton had tight end Derek Carrier, who was lined up in the left slot.

    Carrier initially broke for the corner and Hilton recognized as much and responded accordingly, or so he thought.

    “I saw the route on film,” Hilton explained.

    Except this time Carrier double-moved back to the post and wound up wind open.

    “Easy pitch and catch,” is how what eventually became the game-winning TD was summed up on TV.

    “They caught me off guard,” Hilton said. “I gave up a big one.”

    It wasn’t the only mistake the Steelers wound make or the only misfortune they would suffer in Oakland, but it hurt.

    And it resonated for Hilton at the conclusion of a season he assessed as “solid” overall.

    “I expected teams to kind of be more aware of where I was on the field and be aware of me blitzing,” he said. “I let some plays go but overall I feel like I was pretty productive.

    “I’m probably the smallest guy on the field 90 percent of the time, so I expect teams to come my way. I feel like I’ll be in position to make those plays, I just have to find ways to make them.”

    Hilton had made plenty of them in 2017, his first season with the Steelers after brief stints with Jacksonville and New England in the wake of being passed over in the 2016 draft.

    His first 16 NFL games and first four NFL starts resulted in 54 tackles, four sacks, 10 tackles for a loss, two interceptions, eight quarterback hits and one forced fumble.

    But he wasn’t able to make as many splash plays last season (one sack, one interception, two fumble recoveries).

    And the immediate fallout from the play Hilton didn’t make in Oakland was for defensive back Cam Sutton to initially accompany safety Morgan Burnett onto the field when the Steelers went to their sub-package defense on Dec. 16 against New England.

    Hilton was back in the sub-package by the third defensive series, and wound up playing 38 defensive snaps to Sutton’s nine against the Patriots.

    But division of labor is never a constant when head coach Mike Tomlin believes he has options.

    Sutton (5-11, 187) is a promising, third-year pro and a former third-round draft pick.

    The Steelers also drafted a cornerback (third-round selection Justin Layne) and signed one in free agency (Steve Nelson), although neither specializes in or is particularly accomplished at playing in the slot.

    Hilton maintained his focus in training camp will be on honing his game much more than it will be fending off competition from Sutton or anyone else.

    “I’m focused on what I can do, what’s going to help the team win and what can I do to better myself as a player,” Hilton said.

    The first step has been to add, in Hilton’s estimation, seven or eight pounds.

    The next will be to “find ways to fight through the hands against wideouts and be more aggressive when the ball comes around and try to make plays on the ball, get some more turnovers,” Hilton said. “That’s something we lacked as a whole on the defensive end.”

    High-profile changes already enacted on defense in response included the signing of Nelson and trading up 10 spots in the first round to draft inside linebacker Devin Bush.

    “They’re good changes,” Hilton said. “Devin, even though he’s a rookie he’s vocal, he’s flying around, doing things he’s supposed to. And Steve, on the outside, he’s in position to make a lot of plays. He’s really going to help us on the back end.”

    https://www.steelers.com/news/looking-ahead-not-behind

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    Mike Hilton reports to camp, signs exclusive rights tender

    Posted by Charean Williams on July 25, 2019, 3:38 PM EDT

    Steelers cornerback Mike Hilton promised he wouldn’t holdout, and he didn’t holdout.

    Hilton reported to camp and confirmed he had signed his exclusive rights free agent tender Thursday.

    Hilton hadn’t signed his $645,000 tender in hopes of getting a long-term deal. Via video from Chris Adamski of the Tribune-Review, Hilton said “there’s been talks” when asked where negotiations stood but declined to go into more detail.

    Hilton, 25, became the starting slot cornerback in 2017 and has made three interceptions, 14 pass breakups, five sacks and 111 tackles in two seasons.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/25/mike-hilton-reports-to-camp-signs-exclusive-rights-tender/
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Good for us. Hopefully he doesn’t get seriously hurt.

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    After that drive it looks like Mike was trying to get paid before proving he can become a consistent CB.
    Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
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