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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    weve got him for 1 more year.. if he wants to make stupid money... i wouldnt have a problem letting him walk.. it should be obvious to him that we are trying to build this team up for one more run with him
    If we get to a point where we can't sign an extension, I think the correct move would be a trade.

    But, I don't think it will get anywhere near that.

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    You going to trade him in the middle of the season?
    I wish people would/could leave politics out of a Steelers Football Forum.

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    Ben Roethlisberger's extension with Steelers not as easy as it seems

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    Jeremy Fowler
    ESPN Staff Writer

    PITTSBURGH -- Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger earned a $5 million roster bonus on Friday, which could have served as an artificial deadline for a contract extension with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

    But no deal is imminent between the team and Roethlisberger, who has one year left on his current contract. Now that Roethlisberger is locked into the $5 million, both parties can take their time.

    Extending Roethlisberger is an easy decision, and his last extension in March 2015 came together smoothly. But this negotiation has a new set of factors to navigate.

    The quarterback market has mushroomed in such a way that neither side could have expected. When these sides last negotiated, Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers led the league in average payout per year (APY) at $22 million, followed by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan ($20.75 million), Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco ($20.1 million) and New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees ($20 million).

    Roethlisberger came in right behind Rodgers at $21.9 million.

    Since then, seven quarterbacks have signed deals worth $25 million or more per year. The top four are above $27 million, led by Rodgers' $33.5 million and Ryan's $30 million. That's a massive swing reflective of a rising salary cap and a position that continues to grow in importance.

    APY is hardly the only factor in negotiations -- guaranteed money trumps all in most cases -- but asking Roethlisberger to take less than, say, Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford ($27 million) is a tough sell, especially when Roethlisberger is on record saying many quarterbacks without Super Bowl-level credentials are getting elite-level contracts.

    Roethlisberger also has indicated he is willing to work with the Steelers, telling ESPN in July that it's important as a quarterback to leave money for others, such as center Maurkice Pouncey, his running mate who just signed a two-year, $22 million extension.

    Before free agency, the Steelers got two of Roethlisberger's trusted linemen, Pouncey and guard Ramon Foster, signed for multiple years. But that doesn't mean the Steelers can bring their coupon book to the table. Roethlisberger has provided 15 years of stability, his top two playmakers are now gone and the team is all-in on him as he approaches his late 30s.

    A good barometer might just be the 2020 franchise tag numbers, which one league source estimates will be around $28 million, depending on the salary cap. Reaching or exceeding that number would place Roethlisberger in the top tier.

    Sure, he is better than Kirk Cousins, who gets $28 million per year, but Cousins had the power of free agency, which Roethlisberger is unlikely to test.

    The Steelers traditionally guarantee the signing bonus only, which was an issue for Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown. Roethlisberger would be in a position to challenge that format -- or, at the least, load that contract up with aggressive roster bonuses.

    Roethlisberger's age is a factor (he turned 37 on March 2), even though quarterbacks are flourishing for longer now. Big Ben himself led the NFL in passing during his 15th year in the league, and Brees played at a steady clip of $25 million per year in his late 30s. Brees' salary isn't a huge number for a top-3 passer, which the Steelers might try to utilize as a parallel.

    The Steelers and Roethlisberger's agent, Ryan Tollner, have time on their side and could even take this into the summer, if they choose. Roethlisberger wants to keep playing, so if the extension will take him to 2022, the structured payout over the first two years will be crucial for him. And the Steelers figure to be pressed against the salary cap once again. They sat at around $8.5 million in space as of Monday, and that doesn't count new deals for free agents Donte Moncrief and Mark Barron. They need to make a few moves to accommodate the quarterback's new deal.

    There's no palpable tension here. This will get done.

    But there also is reason to believe that if Roethlisberger's side was taking some massive discount, it already would be completed.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/pittsburgh-steelers/post/_/id/30418/ben-roethlisbergers-extension-with-steelers-not-as-easy-as-it-seems
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittpete View Post
    You going to trade him in the middle of the season?
    I think it's more like I would consider trading him if we don't think we can get something done by the beginning of the season (when we usually stop negotiating). In that scenario the strategy would be to pick up as many picks as we can for next year's draft and to probably tank the season with Dobbs / Rudolph at QB.

    That would hopefully get us a very high pick or two that we use to take a shot at a new franchise QB and some help around him.

    But, I highly doubt that's the way this plays out. But I'm also not convinced that you can be consistently successful paying a QB over $30M/year.

    At some point, it could be better to try to get another good QB on a rookie deal. Especially at the end of a franchise QB's career when the D might not be competitive and the O is taking a step backward losing two all-pro players.
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 03-19-2019 at 11:51 AM.

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    Ben isn’t getting traded. That is crazy talk

  6. #26
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    He should sign a new 3 year contract worth $84M with a SB of $26M.

    One last middle finger to AB and LB.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    The funny thing is, those numbers are actually somewhat in line the actual NFL QB market these days.

    If you structured it to give him a guaranteed base salary of $12M in year one, he'd have a first year cap him of $20.7M, which would be $2.5M less than his current cap hit. Then you could give him a $20M base salary in year two, which would be a $28.7M cap hit, which is in the neighborhood of what top 5 QB's tend to get these days. Then the base salary would balloon up to $26M in his final year, which would be a cap hit of $34.7M. Who knows what the NFL salary cap structure will look like at that point. And if Ben retired before that final year, we'd save $26M against the cap with a somewhat palatable dead money hit of $8.7M.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Ben isn’t getting traded. That is crazy talk
    I don't think so either.

    But it's something they should seriously consider if they can't do an extension by the start of the season...unless they're OK franchising him.

    I think the most likely scenario (by far) is an extension.

  9. #29
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    They dont have to do anything IMO, except win a SB in his last season as a Steeler...
    I wish people would/could leave politics out of a Steelers Football Forum.

  10. #30
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    Anyone concerned that damn near every QB mentioned in this article missed the playoffs last year and mostly these teams looked like complete trash?

    Be careful of the company you keep.

    We won’t trade Ben but if we were smart it WOULD be an option.

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