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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Does it really matter? If Ben goes down we are screwed.
    I think it does matter.

    I would like to see the backup hold it down for a few games or series if needed.

    Dobbs made a key throw vs Baltimore. He also looked terrible vs Oakland.

    Those few plays can be the difference between playoffs or no playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzStillers1989 View Post
    I hope it’s rudolph because I believe him to have a higher ceiling. I don’t have any stats or reasoning other than a hunch. I like them both.

    But of course, for now, this offense goes as Ben goes....
    This is one author's take on Rudolph's likely floor/ceiling based on 'success rate' in college. The thinking is that no NFL QB comes close to matching their college success rate when in the pros. Probably a reasonable assumption. Rudolph's success rate in college was 50%. If he is like an average QB, he will have 10% pts less success in the NFL. This puts him in Jared Goff/R Mallett territory (~40%). On the other hand, if he develops as an above average pro QB, he could look a lot like a Roethlisberger:



    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/...ojections-hype

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    This is one author's take on Rudolph's likely floor/ceiling based on 'success rate' in college. The thinking is that no NFL QB comes close to matching their college success rate when in the pros. Probably a reasonable assumption. Rudolph's success rate in college was 50%. If he is like an average QB, he will have 10% pts less success in the NFL. This puts him in Jared Goff/R Mallett territory (~40%). On the other hand, if he develops as an above average pro QB, he could look a lot like a Roethlisberger:



    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/...ojections-hype
    Lamar Jackson = Weeden

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    Ron Cook: Ben Roethlisberger the steady force amid Steelers' turmoil

    RON COOK
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    MAY 3, 2019

    The Steelers signed Steven Nelson, Mark Barron and Donte Moncrief as free agents. They drafted nine players, including Michigan inside linebacker Devin Bush, who comes to town as the most anticipated rookie in years. They said goodbye – good riddance, actually – to Antonio Brown and Le’Veon Bell.

    It will be a much different team that reports to training camp this summer.

    There is just one primary constant, the one player who always gives the Steelers their best chance to win another Super Bowl:

    Ben Roethlisberger.

    “I hope [he plays] forever,” Mike Tomlin told ESPN last weekend. “We like the big guy.”

    The Steelers put their money where their heart is with Roethlisberger late last month, giving him a two-year, $68 million contract extension that will take him through the 2021 season when he will be 39. Clearly, they weren’t turned off by the nonsensical and, in some cases, borderline slanderous “noise” – Tomlin’s word – that surrounded Roethlisberger since last season ended with one of the worst collapses in franchise history.

    Brown, on his way out the door to a better contract with the Oakland Raiders, said Roethlisberger has an “owner’s mentality, like he can call out anybody including coaches.” Hines Ward and Jerome Bettis said Roethlisberger needs to work harder to be a better teammate. But that was nothing compared to what a couple of other former teammates spewed. Josh Harris alleged Roethlisberger fumbled intentionally in a game against Cincinnati in 2014. Rashard Mendenhall called Roethlisberger a racist.

    “It never changed in our minds who he was, what he could do, who he is,” Kevin Colbert said last week, his first significant public comments since the Roethlisberger extension was announced. “We had no hesitation in keeping him in the mix. This guy is a Hall of Fame quarterback. We’ve been very fortunate to have Ben for as long as we have. He still can play at a high level. To get him for three more years collectively, that’s exciting for us.”

    That wasn’t the first time Colbert stood tall behind Roethlisberger. In February, he made national news by saying Roethlisberger has “52 kids under him, quite honestly.” It was a horrible choice of words and Colbert was widely criticized. He attempted to clarify a few days later on NFL Network.

    “What I am referencing is Ben is the only player [on the roster] who has ever won a Super Bowl with the Pittsburgh Steelers,” he said. “I was referencing the younger players on our team and their lack of experience in the Super Bowl-winning environment. Ben is the only who can say he’s done that …

    “If our players were smart, they’d listen to him because he’s been there, he’s done it. He can tell them, ‘No, guys, what you’re doing is or is not good enough to do this.’ I have no problem with him. He can call me out, and that’s fine. What he does, I totally respect.”

    Roethlisberger has not spoken publicly about his contract extension or his tumultuous offseason. My guess is he will allow his play to do most of his talking. He is as competitive as any athlete I’ve seen in Pittsburgh and always is motivated to try to collect championships. But I expect him to be even more driven this season to prove the Steelers can win with a rebuilt roster, especially without Brown, whom he often protected when Brown lost focus when he didn’t think he was getting the ball enough and ran the wrong patterns.

    “You know him,” Tomlin said of Roethlisberger during the NFL owners meetings in March. “You don’t do what he has done at the level that he has done it for the time in which he’s done it without responding appropriately to challenges and adversity. That’s just in his DNA.”

    “The challenge for us is to build around him,” Colbert said. “I give New England credit because they’ve taken what they’ve had in a great quarterback and they built that team around him twice and, obviously, gotten wonderful results. That’s our challenge, to keep a good team around a great quarterback because a great quarterback is always the focus of any successful organization.”

    The Steelers will play at New England on Sept. 8 in their first game.

    I already can’t wait.

    https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/201905050048

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    This is one author's take on Rudolph's likely floor/ceiling based on 'success rate' in college. The thinking is that no NFL QB comes close to matching their college success rate when in the pros. Probably a reasonable assumption. Rudolph's success rate in college was 50%. If he is like an average QB, he will have 10% pts less success in the NFL. This puts him in Jared Goff/R Mallett territory (~40%). On the other hand, if he develops as an above average pro QB, he could look a lot like a Roethlisberger:



    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/...ojections-hype
    That was a interesting article, thanks.

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    Reading Cook's article you can now understand the picks the Steelers made. Maybe not the top at their position, but if it was close, they sided with taking a pick they deemed had character traits they were targeting. Call it a bit of underdog strategy but the Steelers have had success even when the players on their roster weren't the best at their positions. Hope that some of the young players emerge as more vocal leaders for the future.

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    Pittsburgh Steelers 2019 Camp Battles: Joshua Dobbs vs. Mason Rudolph

    We take a look at some of the more significant position battles that will be fought during minicamp, OTAs and training camp this offseason.

    By Simon Chester
    May 10, 2019

    While it would be fair to say that the Pittsburgh Steelers 2019 roster looks set at several positions as the team prepares to hold their rookie minicamp on Friday, there are still a handful of starting roles yet to be decided and a number of backup up roles remain up for grabs.

    Over the coming weeks, BTSC editor Jeff Hartman and myself will take a look at some of the more obvious key names that will be fighting position battles throughout minicamp, OTAs and training camp later in the year, each taking a different side in the fight and providing our thoughts on why our pick will be the winner. First up for discussion, the quarterbacks.

    Joshua Dobbs vs. Mason Rudolph

    Selected in back-to-back years, Josh Dobbs coming via the fourth-round of the 2017 NFL Draft and Mason Rudolph a season later via the third-round, neither player is in any real danger of losing his job to an outsider this offseason, with Brogan Roback the only other quarterback currently on the roster. But if either player has any hopes of one day assuming the position currently held by Ben Roethlisberger, both will need to show enough improvement in 2019 to convince the coaching staff that it might one day be possible.

    That being said, becoming the starting quarterback in Pittsburgh is a long way off with Roethlisberger now under contract for three more seasons; the bigger concern for the two prospects in 2019 revolves around who will win the battle to be the backup to Big Ben this year.

    That title belonged to Dobbs in 2018 and while retaining the role would be a good sign for his future with the Steelers, those who believe that Rudolph has the qualities to become a starter in the NFL will expect a significant leap in his second season - one that could possibly include taking the backup role away from Dobbs.

    Jeff Hartman

    For all those in the ‘Mason Rudolph Fan Club’, of which I am a charter member, the thought of Rudolph not passing Dobbs as the primary backup to Roethlisberger is downright deflating. Luckily for those in the Fan Club, I don’t foresee this happening. The Steelers made an investment, although not a rich investment, in Rudolph, and after spending his rookie season watching and learning it is his time to be the QB2 on the depth chart. This isn’t a knock on Dobbs, but to me Rudolph is a more polished quarterback with a better skill set to orchestrate the Steelers’ offense if Roethlisberger goes down. Dobbs will certainly remain on the roster, but the two quarterbacks will swap positions in 2019 with Dobbs being the game day inactive this year.

    Simon Chester

    While admittedly a fan of Mason Rudolph and the potential he hinted at during college, I cannot deny an increasing sense of belief in the abilities of Josh Dobbs heading into his third season. Judging the development of any quarterback forced to sit behind Roethlisberger is challenging and it is difficult to make many assumptions based on the 12 passes Dobbs threw in five limited appearances last year coming off the bench.

    However, based on his performances during preseason in 2018, Dobbs was a completely different quarterback than the one who suited up as a rookie. Showing far more confidence and a much better command of the playbook, the added dimension that Dobbs offers as a runner over Rudolph could well put him over the top in the race for the backup role if he can prove he has made a similar leap again this year.

    The ability of both young quarterbacks to support Ben Roethlisberger and act as an extra set of eyes for him on the field will also be significant in the race to back up Big Ben and it would not be a surprise to learn that Dobbs is the one who is further along in that regard. The former Tennessee product should enter the preseason in pole position to be the backup and it will be up to Rudolph to take the job away from him. As long as Dobbs can show he has improved again, the only way his rival should be able to take his job is by being close to perfect, and that is a big ask for Rudolph in year two.

    https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ining-camp-nfl

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    Mason Rudolph staying positive amidst uncertainty

    By BRYAN DEARDO

    Mason Rudolph knows he's entering his second season in the NFL. That's pretty much it, however, as Pittsburgh's third round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft has no idea what's in future for him as he continues preparations for the 2019 season.

    Rudolph didn't keep it a secret with regard to his uneasiness watching some of his peers get drafted by teams that would allow them the opportunity to start right away. While Rudolph joined a team that already had future Hall of Fame quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, fellow draft classmates Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson were each given the opportunity to start as rookies. Darnold, Mayfield and Jackson are now firmly entrenched as their teams' starting quarterbacks entering their second seasons, while Rosen will get an opportunity to compete for the starting job in Miami after being traded by the Cardinals during draft weekend.

    Rudolph's uncertain future became even murkier after Big Ben signed a two-year extension last month that will keep him in Pittsburgh through the 2021 season. This means that Rudolph will be slated to become a free agent the same year Roethlisberger's contract expires. This sounds like a potentially seamless transition, with Rudolph spending his first NFL seasons learning from a future Hall of Fame quarterback before being given the keys to Pittsburgh's offense. And while this scenario could certainly come to fruition, there are a few factors that may lead to a different outcome.

    There's a very slim chance that Rudolph will want to sit idle for four years before getting a chance to play. While Steve Young and other future NFL greats started their pro careers in a similar fashion, and while the lifespan of NFL quarterbacks is now longer than ever, no competition wants to sit on the bench when there's an opportunity to play somewhere else.

    Joshua Dobbs will also play a factor in what happens next. Before he has a chance to one day replace Roethlisberger, Rudolph will first have to beat out Dobbs, who ended the 2018 season as the team's No. 2 quarterback. Dobbs beat out Landry Jones for the job last training camp/preseason. It will be interesting to see if Rudolph will be given that same opportunity this summer.

    Rudolph, instead of worry about what's next, is instead focused on what he can control, and that's his preparation as he enters the 2019 season. That way, in the event the his time comes sooner rather than later, he'll be ready to make the most of his opportunity.

    "It's been fun," Rudolph told Jim Wexell of 247Sports when asked about his first year in Pittsburgh. "I've made all the reps I've gotten count. They give me a few with the (first team) on Wednesdays and then I'll take all the scout team (reps) versus the (first-team) defense. That's the day I look forward to working. But I think collectively just learning how the flow of the week goes in preparation has been important. It's similar to college in the way coaches watch film, like schematically, chronologically, throughout the week. You're just in the meeting room so much longer. You have so much more time because you're not taking class, so it's great for me being there with the staff. You hear the way they're thinking, know what they're talking about, know how they formulate ideas based on film, based on our self scouts. That's pretty cool."

    https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburgh...rs--132054172/

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    Can’t wait to see this competition this year. I hope they utilize each players strengths instead of having them throw that stupid predictable out pattern for their first pass.

    I felt like that was some weird Yoda mind trick being played on them. Like we told the other team the play and wanted to see how they would react after a bad pass.

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    This might be the most important camp battle for the Steelers. The draft next year is considered to have some NFL capable QBs coming out. The Steelers needed to know whether they should poop or get off the pot regarding Dobbs/Mason or drafting the next franchise QB.

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