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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfixer View Post
    Wasn’t it in the second round with a Hooker that got Kraft in trouble?
    His David Long got him in trouble the day before the AFCCG and then we went back for another helping of David Long on the morning of the AFCCG again.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    My sig mock has featured TE T.J. Hockenson at #20 for some time now, and while that remains an ideal wishful thinking scenario for me (a la David DeCastro a few years back, which actually came true!), I realize that is essentially just a pipe dream at this point.

    I would still be willing to trade multiple prime picks between this year's draft and next year's draft in order to land what I consider to be a sure-thing prospect such as ILB Devin White or TE T.J. Hockenson in the early portion of round 1, but it's actually quite likely that neither player falls down close enough to make even a bold trade up realistic.

    So, I'm going to take my best shot at coming up with a reasonable effort for what our draft board might look like if we do not trade any of our picks and just make all 10 selections as they currently stand.

    I considered taking an ILB earlier at 3.66 in N.C. State's Germaine Pratt (which would mean that my WR pick would move down to 4.122...perhaps West Virginia's David Sills there).

    I also considered taking a safety earlier at 3.66 in Maryland's Darnell Savage, especially since our front office has shown so much interest in him (which would mean that my WR pick would move down to 3.83...perhaps Stanford's J.J. Arcega-Whiteside there).

    But ultimately, since I was using 4 out of my first 5 picks to address the defensive side of the ball, I opted to leave my WR pick on Notre Dame's Miles Boykin right smack dab in the middle of those prime picks at 3.66.

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
    3.66 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
    3.83 S Amani Hooker, Iowa 6-0 210
    4.122 ILB David Long, West Virginia 5-11 227
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego State 6-5 252
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
    6.207 RB Bryce Love, Stanford 5-9 200
    7.219 DE Armon Watts, Arkansas 6-5 300

    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    It’s a bummer that Devin White is a pipe dream at this point. He’d look great in our defense but he’s likely to go in the top 5.

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    Can someone tell me why Ben Burr Kirven is never mentioned on this board?? Immediate Upgrade over Dirty Red.
    Projected 6th Round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SidSmythe View Post
    Can someone tell me why Ben Burr Kirven is never mentioned on this board?? Immediate Upgrade over Dirty Red.
    Projected 6th Round.
    He tested well at combine 40 4.56 3 cone 6.85 but I'm not so sure he will play lb at the next level he may be more productive as a hybrid box S. Tackles well but has physical limitations. League is going to hybrids so he may fit in well somewhere. Will he get drafted ? Perhaps but regardless he'll be at a camp and get a shot. Watched a little tape and not highlights n he does a bunch of stuff well once he recognizes the play. Bit slow on recognition imho but that can be improved upon. Is he an upgrade over Dirty Red ? IDK at the next level he'll need to take on 325lb guards which could be an issue. You can't run around blocks at next level all the time so that will be a large test for BBK.
    Speed and tackling ability should allow him to be productive on special teams. Like Red he'll need to perform there first in order to land a roster spot somewhere.

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    In this draft, the sweet spot for a lot of the players we have shown interest in seems to be in the area right around the bottom half of round 2 through the top half of round 3.

    Expected to go around this time are multiple quality linebackers (Germaine Pratt, Chase Winovich), safeties (Darnell Savage, Amani Hooker), corners (Lonnie Johnson, Justin Layne), wideouts (Hakeem Butler, Miles Boykin), running backs (Darrell Henderson, David Montgomery), and tight ends (Josh Oliver, Jace Sternberger).

    Rather than using our extra draft picks as ammunition to move up in round 1, perhaps we could use some of that draft capital to try to obtain more picks in this late 2nd-early 3rd area instead. Our pals up in New England have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (SIX!!!) and they tend to like to be wheelers and dealers on draft day. I would like to attempt to target their picks at the end of round 2 and the 9th pick in round 3 (#73 overall) which originally belonged to Detroit.

    We could offer them our pick in the middle of round 2 (#52), our pick in the middle of round 4 (#122), our pick that we got from the Raiders in the early portion of round 5 (#141), and CB Artie Burns in exchange for their picks at the end of round 2 (#64) and the pick they got from the Lions in the early portion of round 3 (#73).

    Points-wise:
    2.52 + 4.122 + 5.141 = 465.5 points
    2.64 + 3.73 = 495 points
    NE seems to like to try to rehabilitate former first round pick reclamation projects (and they could use an influx of talent at the corner spot), so including Artie Burns in the deal might be able to essentially make up for that nearly 30 point difference in the math.

    If Devin Bush and Brian Burns come off the board before pick #20, we could stay patient and use that pick on someone like CB Byron Murphy. Adding Steven Nelson and Byron Murphy to Joe Haden and Mike Hilton would turn CB from a relative weakness to somewhat of a strength for the first time in forever. We'd have an heir apparent for Haden (who now 30 years old and entering his 10th season on the NFL, which is the last year of his current contract) on board to learn from him. Plus, Artie Burns would also be completely expendable as a result of this selection, which helps to make this deal possible. Then use those 4 (FOUR!!!)picks we'd now have from the end of round 2 to the middle of round 3 to add additional help at safety, linebacker, wideout, etc.

    After this deal, we still end up with 9 picks overall: a first, a second, 3 thirds, 3 sixths, and a seventh.

    The haul could potentially look something like this:

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
    2.64 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
    3.66 ILB Germaine Pratt, N.C. State 6-2 240
    3.73 OLB Chase Winovich, Michigan 6-3 252
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego State 6-5 252
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
    6.207 C/G Lamont Gaillard, Georgia 6-2 304
    7.219 RB Kerrith Whyte, Florida Atlantic 5-10 197
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Our pals up in New England have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds (SIX!!!) and they tend to like to be wheelers and dealers on draft day.
    It would not surprise me to see them trade up to get your man crush TE to replace Gronk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fordfixer View Post
    It would not surprise me to see them trade up to get your man crush TE to replace Gronk.
    Why should they when they can get a stud like Foster Moreau from LSU? Plus, they will see Hakeem Butler right there at the bottom of the first round there for the taking or they could trade back and land Boykins.

    Knowing them, they'll trade back a bit and pick up another 2nd /3rd round picks for next year. Bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    Why should they when they can get a stud like Foster Moreau from LSU? Plus, they will see Hakeem Butler right there at the bottom of the first round there for the taking or they could trade back and land Boykins.

    Knowing them, they'll trade back a bit and pick up another 2nd /3rd round picks for next year. Bastards.
    Foster Moreau will be a quality backup blocking TE in this league, but that's about all. Dude has never caught 25 passes in a season. He's never gained 300 yards in the season. The most TD's he caught in one year is 3.

    In 4 years combined at LSU, he has 52 catches for 629 yards and 6 TD's. Moreau's 4 year combined total is essentially Gronk's production is half a season with NE.
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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    I made some minor tweaks to my current sig mock today:

    Plan A: Trade up to early 1st for ILB Devin White or TE T.J. Hockenson

    Plan B:
    1.20 CB Byron Murphy, Washington 5-11 189
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker, Georgia 6-2 251
    3.66 S Darnell Savage, Maryland 5-11 198
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame 6-4 220
    4.122 ILB David Long, WVU 5-11 227
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher, Alabama 6-4 308
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring, San Diego St 6-5 252
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack, Texas A&M 6-1 336
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo, Nebraska 5-11 222
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins, Clemson 6-3 305
    Trade 1.20, 2.52, & 2020 3rd for 1.8 or 1.9

    1.8 or 1.9 ILB Devin White
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich
    3.83 S Amani Hooker
    4.122 TE Dawson Knox
    5.141 CB Kris Boyd
    6.175 WR Keelan Doss
    6.192 G Beau Benzschawel
    6.207 RB Kerrith Whyte
    7.219 DE Armon Watts

    or

    1.20 CB Byron Murphy
    2.52 OLB D'Andre Walker
    3.66 S Darnell Savage
    3.83 WR Miles Boykin
    4.122 ILB David Long
    5.141 C/G Ross Pierschbacher
    6.175 TE Kahele Warring
    6.192 NT Daylon Mack
    6.207 RB Devine Ozigbo
    7.219 DE Albert Huggins

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