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    Besides Belicheat, who is the better coach or coaches in Tomlin's time line? I am really interested in a civil discussion. Not much chance in that I figure. For the record I am in the middle I don't think he is a
    "janitor". But does have issues. I can only really compare him to Cowher etc. As I was to young for the end of Noll

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Besides Belicheat, who is the better coach or coaches in Tomlin's time line? I am really interested in a civil discussion. Not much chance in that I figure. For the record I am in the middle I don't think he is a
    "janitor". But does have issues. I can only really compare him to Cowher etc. As I was to young for the end of Noll
    There isn't a better coach, but Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh and Sean Payton all have similar regular season and post-season records in similar time-frames. Tomlin's regular season record, however, sets him apart a little from the other three.

    An interesting thing to do is go to the https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ coaches section and sort by conference championships.

    What's you'll see is that it's really hard to win more than one conference championship. Other than BB, the only active coaches with 2 are Tomlin and Carroll (I don't count John Fox as an active coach).
    Last edited by tiproast; 02-11-2019 at 10:16 PM.

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    Well thanks for the info. Thanks for doing the leg work sir. And I will even give you a congrats on #6. I am sure during the Steelers dynasty I feel like Raiders fans etc. who had championship caliber teams that did win enough while the Steelers had there dynasty.
    I still contend that Ben, Cowher, Tomlin needed a championship caliber defense to win the big games. So my complaint of Tomlin along with the FO has failed at rebuilding that defense quick enough.
    Not that they have not tried. Just many things happened to keep setting the defense back each season. I also think they underestimated how good those super bowl defenses really were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Well thanks for the info. Thanks for doing the leg work sir. And I will even give you a congrats on #6. I am sure during the Steelers dynasty I feel like Raiders fans etc. who had championship caliber teams that did win enough while the Steelers had there dynasty.
    I still contend that Ben, Cowher, Tomlin needed a championship caliber defense to win the big games. So my complaint of Tomlin along with the FO has failed at rebuilding that defense quick enough.
    Not that they have not tried. Just many things happened to keep setting the defense back each season. I also think they underestimated how good those super bowl defenses really were.
    Thank you for the kind words.

    I agree with you about the defense. As Captain Lemming has stated on this site many times, the defense starts with the secondary. If a team has a good secondary, that helps out the pass rush immensely. And if the defense with a good secondary can also shut down (or limit) the run, that's when mistakes can be forced.

    It will be interesting to how the defensive coaching clinic put on by Wade Phillips and BB in the Super Bowl plays out in the upcoming draft. There may be a run on defensive players early. I think it would be great for the NFL if there was a shift away from the shootouts we saw last year to a more evenly balanced contest between the offenses and the defenses.

    Edit: I guess you can also throw Mike McCarthy in with the other coaches who are roughly equivalent to Tomlin in terms of achievement. I just never really think of McCarthy as a coach doing anything other than rolling the ball out there and letting his QB win the games for him.
    Last edited by tiproast; 02-12-2019 at 06:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiproast View Post
    There isn't a better coach, but Pete Carroll, John Harbaugh and Sean Payton all have similar regular season and post-season records in similar time-frames. Tomlin's regular season record, however, sets him apart a little from the other three.

    An interesting thing to do is go to the https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ coaches section and sort by conference championships.

    What's you'll see is that it's really hard to win more than one conference championship. Other than BB, the only active coaches with 2 are Tomlin and Carroll (I don't count John Fox as an active coach).
    Thanks tiproast.



    Congrats on another win. Hope we can take the crown from you guys next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post

    Congrats on another win. Hope we can take the crown from you guys next year.
    Tante grazie for the congrazie.

    I didn't think the Patriots would go far this year. Most of the 2018 draft class was on IR (5 players). With those five, plus 12 picks in the upcoming draft, plus trades and free agency, I expect the 2019 edition of the team to be very different. It will likely take some time to get everyone playing together, what with so many new players (and assistant coaches).

    How many draft choices do the Steelers have this year?

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