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Thread: Too Much Talent to Lose?? All on Tomlin??

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    Using the turnover excuse is not being accurate enough...

    Go through the last six years; when has this defense ever been a turnover generating machine under LeBeau or Butler? That’s been one of the things about this defense for years.

    As far as the offense turnovers, we had first and goal on the broncos 2 yard line and choose to pass on all three plays before Ben threw the pick. That’s just one example. Down the stretch we pass way too much and didn’t run a balanced offense. We lost to the worse team in the league ( at the time) so there is no defense. There just isn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    There are lots of coaches out there who would do all of those things... working well with Colbert, high character, stability leading the team.... etc etc.

    while improving on some of Tomlin's glaring weaknesses (having control of the locker room, clock/game management etc.). We need a real hard nosed guy to sharpen the edge of this so called sword. Do you think Cowher would have let his guys play on their cell phones at half time? You speak of Cowher having some losing seasons... but, unlike Tomlin.. he never had a franchise HOF QB.... nuff said about that.
    Thank you Ernie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    And I wonder why he has the most talented players in the country? lol
    Because Alabama is a school that the NFL scouts eyes are on, so the top recruits want to play there. The reason he didn't win in the NFL is because he couldn't recruit, he couldn't walk on the field with the best players every week.

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    If Cowher had Ben his entire tenure like Tomlin has had, Cowher would have one at least one more Super Bowl. Cowher was a way better coach then Tomlin. Tomlin is not in Cowhers zip code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    I second what Ernie says. Iím tired of people implying that people donít like Tomlin because of his race. The team has underachieved the last 6 years in the playoffs. The team is undisciplined and has been stated by former players ( Harrison) and team actions ( AB video taping player only meetings & players using cell phones during games). None of these things has to do with race.
    You continue to overstate 'underachieving' team. Take a closer look at the state of the team when the playoffs arrived in each of the last 6 years.

    2017 - lost the QB of the defense in the last quarter of the season; never found a replacement on the roster (Sean Spence off the couch to replace him... good grief)

    2016 - beat MIA; beat KC; lost to NE

    2015 - no L Bell (1/3 of the offense gone); Toussaint as RB (he ain't no LBell); lost to DEN in Div round

    2014 - no L Bell; Josh Harris & Ben Tate share RB.... 'nough said; lost to BAL in Wildcard

    2013 - this is one year you could argue they underachieved

    2012 - Todd Haley's first season as OC; averaged 19 pts/gm in their losses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    If Cowher had Ben his entire tenure like Tomlin has had, Cowher would have one at least one more Super Bowl. Cowher was a way better coach then Tomlin. Tomlin is not in Cowhers zip code.
    Right now, neither Cowher nor Tomlin would be Canton bound. They could both potentially be nominated and discussed in the voters' room, but neither would be enshrined as things stand at this point. Both are "Hall of Very Good" types as opposed to true "Hall of Fame" coaching careers right now. To say one of these guys is not in the other's zip code, though, is disingenuous.
    Plan A: Trade 1.20/3.66/5.141 & 2020 3rd to BUF for 1.9 (ILB Devin White)

    Plan B:
    1.20 TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa 6-5 251
    2.52 WR Hakeem Butler, Iowa State 6-5 227
    3.66 OLB Chase Winovich, Michigan 6-3 256
    3.83 S Amani Hooker, Iowa 5-11 210
    4.122 ILB David Long Jr., West Virginia 5-11 227
    5.141 CB Isaiah Johnson, Houston 6-2 208
    6.175 ILB Bobby Okereke, Stanford 6-1 239
    6.192 RB Travis Homer, Miami 5-10 201
    6.207 OG Hjalte Froholdt, Arkansas 6-5 306
    7.219 DE Armon Watts, Arkansas 6-5 300

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    One coach has had a hall of fame qb his entire tenure...

    The other had a hall of fame qb for only 3 seasons....

    Yet, the later won just as many Super Bowls. And made Super Bowl appearances with Neil O’Donnell. Pretty clear who the better coach is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    If Cowher had Ben his entire tenure like Tomlin has had, Cowher would have one at least one more Super Bowl. Cowher was a way better coach then Tomlin. Tomlin is not in Cowhers zip code.
    Evidence?

    Maybe if Tomlin had Cowher's D or played in an era where 3 yards and a cloud of dust was a viable strategy, he would have done better than Cowher.

    There is no way to know. But Tomlin and Cowher both did very well relative to their peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Maniac View Post
    One coach has had a hall of fame qb his entire tenure...

    The other had a hall of fame qb for only 3 seasons....

    Yet, the later won just as many Super Bowls. And made Super Bowl appearances with Neil O’Donnell. Pretty clear who the better coach is.
    We've had this discussion before.

    Cowher chose D over QB and won when he had a great QB on a rookie deal (that's the easiest way to win in the NFL).

    Tomlin also won when Ben was at the tail end of his rookie deal.

    No one but NE has been dominant over a long stretch with a franchise QB on a market level deal. Holding this as the expectation isn't reasonable.

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    Who's fault is it that Tomlin doesn't have Cowher's Defenses?

    Let me answer that for you.... D.) All of the above (including Tomlin).

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