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    Too Much Talent to Lose?? All on Tomlin??

    Maybe this will give you pause that the Steelers are too talented for their record and Tomlin is the main guy to blame.

    Honestly, after reading this you have to wonder how the Steelers have remained competitive at all. The real question is who is responsible for the futile efforts to find talent?:

    The Pittsburgh Steelers have a lot of issues, most of which have come to light over the past three games, all losses. Mike Tomlin canít manage the clock and doesnít take bad teams seriously, Ben Roethlisberger has made costly mistakes all season, and the Steelers linebacker play is at an all-time low.
    But despite all of these undeniable truths, the Steelers win at least two, maybe all three of the last few games if they had done one thing better: acquire and develop defensive back talent, whether in the draft or free agency Kevin Colbert has consistently given him poor players to work with. Since Tomlin arrived in Pittsburgh, the Steelers have drafted 20 defensive backs, the best of which BY FAR has been William Gay, an average starter in his best years. Gayís best season was a 3-pick campaign in 2014, which would feel like a Hall of Fame-level season for a Steelers defensive back right now.
    The last time a Steelers defensive back finished with more than three interceptions in a season, the team was coincidentally in the Super Bowl, losing to the Green Bay Packers to finish the 2010 season. That year Troy Polamalu had seven picks (is that even allowed?), something that would require a literal act of God for the current Pittsburgh secondary to get as a group this season. In 13 games, the Steelers defensive backs have combined for four interceptions this season.
    How did they get here? As I hinted before, it begins in the draft, where Colbert has tried every strategy on earth (except drafting good players) to get this thing right, but to no avail. At first he tried ignoring the position and relying on free agency and adequate starters to get by. From 2007-2014, Colbert spent exactly ZERO first or second round picks on a defensive back, and just two third rounders on the position group. The 11 players he did draft during that time?
    2007: William Gay, Round 5
    2008: Ryan Mundy, Round 7
    2009: Keenan Lewis, Round 3/Joe Burnett, Round 7
    2010: Crezdon Butler, Round 5
    2011: Curtis Brown, Round 3/Cortez Allen, Round 4
    2012: Terrence Frederick, Round 7
    2013: Shamarko Thomas, Round 4/Terry Hawthorne, Round 5
    2014: Shaq Richardson, Round 5
    Go ahead. Itís ok to curse incessantly. How can one man be so incredibly bad at scouting defensive back talent? I truly do not know. It isnít like Colbert has been a total train wreck as a general manager. Heís done some wonderful things with his offensive drafting, and even nabbed some defensive line talent, but his deficiencies in this area are so excruciating it has tarnished his entire Steelers legacy, fair or not.
    Out of those 11 players, Gay was at times the only watchable Steelers cornerback, and he would have been the third-best corner on most other teams. Keenan Lewis showed promise, but the Steelers let him walk in free agency, where he went to New Orleans to impress before injuries cut short his career.
    Also, donít forget, not only did the team draft Cortez Allen, they gave him a long-term contract despite the fact he never did anything on the field to show he was a preferable starter. So the inability to scout goes beyond just the college ranks, but filters into NFL evaluations as well. Weíll get to that in a moment.
    In 2015 Colbert clearly shifted gears, appropriately reacting to the fast-changing tides of NFL passing attacks that were taking his defense apart. He took three defensive backs that year, two in the first 60 picks the next year, and two each of the years after that. All of them currently suck.
    2015: Senquez Golson, Round 2/Doran Grant, Round 3/Gerod Holliman, Round 7
    2016: Artie Burns, Round 1/Sean Davis, Round 2
    2017: Cameron Sutton, Round 3/Brian Allen, Round 5
    2018: Terrell Edmunds, Round 1/Marcus Allen, Round 5
    You can blame injuries for the Golson miss if you want, but he isnít currently on a roster anywhere in the NFL and never stood out in preseason action either. He never played in a regular season game for Pittsburgh, while Grant and Holliman were cut after their first training camp as rookies. About as bad as it gets.
    Burns has been horrible for the better part of three seasons now, and was finally relegated to the bench earlier this year. Sean Davisí play has been bench-worthy for most of the past two years, but he remains in the lineup because the options behind him are somehow worse.
    Cameron Sutton has been terrible when heís out there, and now he canít get on the field over Morgan Burnett, who has been laughably bad. He might be behind Burns on the depth chart, unfathomable as that may seem. Terrell Edmunds has been average at best, mostly bad, continuing the tradition of Steelers defensive backs who cannot find or make a play on the ball. To make matters worse, Edmunds is Pro Football Focusí 70th-ranked safety (https://www.profootballfocus.com/tools), while Justin Reid and Jessie Bates, chosen well after him despite being clearly better, sit at 11th and 12th in the middle of outstanding rookie seasons.
    And that is exactly how it has gone for Pittsburgh. They either werenít aggressive enough to move up for the guy they wanted (William Jackson) or they sat at their draft spot and took a player clearly worse than others on the board. Reid, Bates, Byron Jones, Kevin Byard and others have been sitting there, screaming for consideration in Rounds 1 and 2, yet Colbert has consistently opted to go with a worse player. Itís a plight that has carried through the draft and into free agency as well.
    Colbertís big free agent signings/trades since Tomlin arrived include Mike Mitchell, Joe Haden, Coty Sensabaugh, Morgan Burnett, Brandon Boykin, Antwon Blake, Mike Hilton, J.J. Wilcox, Ross Cockrell, Justin Gilbert, Will Allen, Brice McCain and Ryan Clark.
    Obviously youíre probably going to have a better hit rate with players who already have proven what they are in the NFL, but a shocking amount of these players Ė Sensabaugh, Burnett, Boykin, Blake, Wilcox, Cockrell, Allen, McCain, Gilbert Ė were bad or un-impactful for the most part. Mitchell and Haden he deserves credit for, as they are probably the only reason Pittsburgh wasnít a complete train wreck the past couple seasons, but overall his moves have been totally uninspiring.
    Last year, playing a deep slate of bad quarterbacks, the Steelers squeaked by a plethora of terrible teams and into a playoff spot. This year, the poor drafting and talent acquisition has caught up with them. Case Keenum, Phillip Rivers and Derek Carr have taken turns shredding all aspects of their defense when it matters most, and the Steelers have let several certain interceptions slip through their grasp that dramatically altered those outcomes.

    Itís the clear evidence of a complete and utter failure by Colbert to find impactful defensive backs and Tomlin and his staff to develop the position when they do have something to work with. And in todayís NFL, with stopping opposing passing attacks and creating turnovers the two keys to defensive success, Pittsburgh has failed in incredible fashion, grabbing just six interceptions, tied for the second-lowest mark in the league.
    As a result, the teamís playoff hopes are slipping away fast, and so is their window to win a Super Bowl.

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    So what is the real question?
    Are we that bad at picking talent or are we getting the wrong players to fit the scheme?
    If we continually grab man corners and try to make them play a zone who's to blame?
    I wish people would/could leave politics out of a Steelers Football Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittpete View Post
    So what is the real question?
    Are we that bad at picking talent or are we getting the wrong players to fit the scheme?
    If we continually grab man corners and try to make them play a zone who's to blame?
    Did you read the list of draft picks? Scheme is immaterial. Is Burns a man or zone CB?... (hint, ...neither).

    Few if any of these guys are even in the league after being cut. Twenty DBs picked and only two starters among them.

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    The Steelers develop talent all over the board except DB.

    Joe Haden came developed .... Sean Davis had a good yr. Perhaps Bradley will turn things around. I believe Carnell Lake was just bad at developing young players.

    I believe blame goes all around .... but in a pass happy league you can't miss on DBs.
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    Yes Colbert must shoulder some blame for the misses at DB, but the article ignores the fact that DBs are supposedly Tomlin's special area of expertise and he's had major input -- possibly more so than anyone else -- as to who the team has drafted at those positions over that span.
    Last edited by Buzz; 12-26-2018 at 01:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Yes Colbert must shoulder some blame for the misses at DB, but the article ignores the fact that DBs are supposedly Tomlin's special area of expertise and he's had major input -- possibly more so than anyone else -- as to who the team has drafted at those positions over that span.
    It don't matter, because you can't get sugar from ****. But Tomlin, Ben, Butler and others are as much to blame.
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    On offense, I haven’t seen this much talent on that side of the ball since the Rams and Faulk. We have grossly underachieved. The article is correct about DB talent. But there is no excuse why this offense hasn’t dominated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    On offense, I haven’t seen this much talent on that side of the ball since the Rams and Faulk. We have grossly underachieved. The article is correct about DB talent. But there is no excuse why this offense hasn’t dominated.
    I had thought this too before looking at the stats.

    We're:
    4th in YPG and
    4th in PPG

    I'm not exactly sure what counts as dominant, but that is better than I thought we were before looking at the numbers.

    I thought we would be better than we are, but I think that congress down to turnovers (like most things this year)

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    The Steelers offense can move the ball against any team. The turnovers in scoring position were doubly damaging because it took points off the board and the defense often allowed the opponents to score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Yes Colbert must shoulder some blame for the misses at DB, but the article ignores the fact that DBs are supposedly Tomlin's special area of expertise and he's had major input -- possibly more so than anyone else -- as to who the team has drafted at those positions over that span.
    Yes he was a DB coach for high a ranking unit. Not too difficult to do when you have players like Ronde Barber, John Lynch, in the backfield. But I also think those kind of DBs would not do well in the modern game.

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