Steelers can't win a SB with Ben.

[D Rock]

The thing about turnovers is they can't always be generated. There was a study conducted that stated that turnovers are statistically random events. That suggests that turnovers can't always be generated. It's one reason why turnovers can't be counted on being generated to win games consistently for teams. The lack of having more turnovers on defense is one reason the Jags are not as good a team this year. The random nature of turnovers prevents teams from counting on them to win games from week to week.

Now what can be counted on are players or offenses to take care of the football.

It's interesting that the Steelers have been good enough as a team to over come a -8 in turnover ratio and still have a winning record. People want to believe this team has coaching problems. I don't think that's the case. The main issue is turnovers.

Some one said that Ben has played good enough to make up for the defensive issues. Ben has turned the ball over more than just about any other player in the league. It seems that the team has been good enough to over come Ben's turnovers.

I can't agree with this at all after watching the types of plays a guy like Jalen Ramsey is physically capable of making. That's not random.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I can't agree with this at all after watching the types of plays a guy like Jalen Ramsey is physically capable of making. That's not random.

You don't have to agree. That's what the study said. Turnovers are random events. They can't be counted on being created from week to week. There are to many factors involved.

Ramsy doesn't make plays like that every week. Nor does Ramsy get turnovers every week. Ramsy only has 3 INT's this year. He only had 4 INTs last year. Teams can take him out of the equation by not throwing his way. Teams can and do attack different weaknesses in defenses.

The Jags are -10 in turnovers this year. They have 4 wins this year. Last year the Jags were +10 in turnovers. They won 10 games.

Player for player the Jags have over all better defensive unit than the Steelers on paper. I am sure the Jags defense would be generating more turnovers if they could be counted on being generated.

[Chadman]

Chadman feels this argument is one of those “little of column A, little of column B” types.

Is Ben ‘to blame’? No..... Is the D ‘to blame’.....No.... But, you could theoretically make a case for a Yes to both.

The Offense does nearly everything right, except Turnovers. Ben simply throws too many. The Offense needs more balance, so is that on Ben or on Fitchner?

The Defense is generating pressure & sacks, but not turnovers. DB’s can’t just decide they are getting an INT. They have to be in a position to take advantage of a bad throw- so 50% of the responsibility is on the DB not making an INT. It’s not like you can count 25 missed INT opportunities. So is the scheme the problem? Possibly.

Right now the mix is weird. They look like they can win every game. They also look like they could lose every game too. Is it safe to say, instead, that the NFL, by rules that favour the Offense, and by the salary cap rules, has created a league where each team is pretty close to equal and only blatant deficiencies in teams can really be exploited? Otherwise, you get scorelines that are decided by 10 points or less every week?

Chadman does not believe that the Steelers D is ‘that bad’. Doesn’t believe Ben is playing ‘that bad’ either. But unbalanced play calling is putting Ben in a position to throw more INT’s & D Schemes that don’t seem to put players in close enough proximity to make plays on errant throws seem to be more the culprits at this point.

[Sword]

Defense is the main problem not Ben like, it has been the last several years since loosing to Green Bay in the Superbowl (I remember very clearly gay getting torched).....
we will not win a SB with this Defense ......There are a few great players on Defense and the rest are ?
We cannot stop good teams driving at will.......We better make Defense are number one problem to address in the off season......or hello 80's \ 90's all over again....

[Steel Maniac]

Our defense has been the problem since TP retired. Tomlin hasn’t developed any players in the secondary his entire tenure as coach here. Yet, he was hired on the premise as a great secondary coach.

Cowhers players left , and he’s been nothing developing his own players in the secondary.

Fact.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Defense is the main problem not Ben like, it has been the last several years since loosing to Green Bay in the Superbowl (I remember very clearly gay getting torched).....
we will not win a SB with this Defense ......There are a few great players on Defense and the rest are ?
We cannot stop good teams driving at will.......We better make Defense are number one problem to address in the off season......or hello 80's \ 90's all over again....

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Any player that has 15 turnovers is a main problem.

[Steel Maniac]

Because he has to do so much because the defense can’t hold up.
It all comes back to the defense. Or lack there of.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Because he has to do so much because the defense can’t hold up.
It all comes back to the defense. Or lack there of.

That's not true. Turnovers have a proven track record of being team killers. Some of the bad decisions and terrible throws that Ben made had nothing to do with the defense.

[Steelhere10]

Our defense has been the problem since TP retired. Tomlin hasn’t developed any players in the secondary his entire tenure as coach here. Yet, he was hired on the premise as a great secondary coach.

Cowhers players left , and he’s been nothing developing his own players in the secondary.

Fact.

False. In a scoring league the defense held SD to 7points with that non called included. And the offense didn't score but 7 after that! Ben is just as much of a problem ss the defense and I will go on to say that this defense was a main reason that the 6 game streak was on because they was holding teams from scoring while the offense wasn't. So please stop blaming the d.

[squidkid]

what do the steelers mainly rely on to win games the last 5-8 years, offense or defense?
whichever gets the less votes would appear to be the main problem