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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    We had 6 drives in the 2nd half.

    1 Tied 14-14: Run (4 yards), run (3 yards), pass, punt

    2 Tied 14-14: Pass, pass, pass, pass, run (1 yard), pass, punt

    3 Down 17-14: Run (-2) pass, pass, punt

    4 Down 20-14: Pass, pass, pass, pass, punt

    5 Down 23-14: Pass, pass, pick

    6 Down 26-14: pass, pass, pass, pass (on downs)


    The passing game sucked and I think that's on Ben and the play calling.

    But the running game sucked too.

    In the drives where we were tied, we ran 33% of the non-ST plays and averaged 2.7 yards. Not exactly stellar.

    When down by less than a TD, we ran 14% of the time for -2 and average -2 yards (not really an average because it's only 1 play).

    Then down by a TD, we passed ever time. Probably because we'd averaged 1.5 yards per carry in the 2nd half at that point and we were running out of time.
    People kept giving our OL a lot of
    love because DeAngelo has success when Bell was out. DE is a savvy RB who was pretty good in Carolina when healthy.

    One good game can skew the data for the next 2 or 3 games so when folks say “DW was leading all RB’s in the first quarter of the season is proof the OL is good” is really misleading.

    Its still comes down to situational football. Did the RB move the chains on 3rd down in the next 2 or 3 games? Was our blocking good in those next 2 or 3 games? Did we have a good average ypc in the next 2 or 3 games?

    ...or did we just spread those stats from the first game over the next 2 and our OL isn’t opening holes consistently or maybe Bell is really good at his job so it makes the OL look better than it is?

    ..or maybe an elite RB is more valuable than we want to admit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    People kept giving our OL a lot of
    love because DeAngelo has success when Bell was out. DE is a savvy RB who was pretty good in Carolina when healthy.

    One good game can skew the data for the next 2 or 3 games so when folks say “DW was leading all RB’s in the first quarter of the season is proof the OL is good” is really misleading.

    Its still comes down to situational football. Did the RB move the chains on 3rd down in the next 2 or 3 games? Was our blocking good in those next 2 or 3 games? Did we have a good average ypc in the next 2 or 3 games?

    ...or did we just spread those stats from the first game over the next 2 and our OL isn’t opening holes consistently or maybe Bell is really good at his job so it makes the OL look better than it is?

    ..or maybe an elite RB is more valuable than we want to admit?
    I also think that having two elite options (Brown and Bell) made it harder for opposing D's than it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    I also think that having two elite options (Brown and Bell) made it harder for opposing D's than it is now.
    Dont forget Bryant as well.

    We have no deep threat. Why aren’t we using Heyward Bey? Is he hurt?

    but Bell is the key. You can’t drop back or dare us to run with Bell in our backfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Dont forget Bryant as well.

    We have no deep threat. Why aren’t we using Heyward Bey? Is he hurt?

    but Bell is the key. You can’t drop back or dare us to run with Bell in our backfield.
    I don't want DHB on the field except for punts and kickoffs.

    Our best personnel grouping is 11 personnel (1 RB, 1 TE) with AB, Juju, and Washington as the wideouts.

    While none of them have John Brown level speed, any of those 3 guys can get deep.
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Blitz View Post
    Your theory was: If they abandon the run game, then yes, his impact is lessened considerably...But in the games against the Jags where they abandoned the run game, he still had considerable impact.

    Your theory only fits if you only look at rushing yards (which he clearly doesn't get if we abandon the run). But, Bell has been able to consistently make an impact in the passing game (46 yards in the first game and 88 in the two games against the Jags last year).

    It's not unreasonable to assume that he'd have had more than Conner's 3 receptions for 25 yards last week. Last year against Baltimore, Bell had 42 yards receiving in game 1 and 77 yards (and a TD) in game 2. This is a good example of what I'm trying to talk about here.

    In game one against the Rats, he was dominant on the ground (144 yards and 2 TDs). So, we didn't need to rely on his receiving too much (but he still did well with 42 yards).

    In game 2 against them, rushing yards were harder to come by (48 yards...but still 2 TDs). I don't know how you define "abandoned the run", but he only had 13 carries. But in that game, he was still able to contribute through the air with 9 receptions, 77 yards and a third TD. I'd say 90 yards and 3 TDs is considerable impact despite only having 13 carries in the running game.

    Bell has been special because it's really hard to take him out of a game. If you take away the run, he hurts you catching balls out of the backfield. There's no shame in Conner not being able to do this, because very few back in the history of the league have had Bell's versatility. Missing that really hurts the offense IMO.
    Bell had an impact in the passing game...BUT WE STILL LOST...

    Ben, as Ruthless pointed out in another thread, couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn on some of those first downs...

    THAT is what needs to be corrected and Bell will not help that...and that has been my point all along...

    The Steelers need to be more persistent with the running game, regardless of who is at RB...

    Again, after four games last season:

    Bell - 87 carries for 324 yards (3.7 YpC) and 17 receptions for 98 yards (5.8 YpR)

    After four games this season:

    Conner - 63 carries for 232 yards (3.7 YpC) and 18 receptions for 164 yards (9.1 YpR)

    Circumstances of defense have led to the Steelers giving up on the run as opposed to last year when we were more persistent...

    If Ben is having a problem with consistency, then they should lean on the run game more rather than less, regardless of who is at RB...

    Bell will not “fix” the offense...
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    Conner's ypc is only slightly lower than Bell's numbers last he played.... could it be simply we are seeing a decline in the OL run blocking in general?

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    Yes DHB is hurt
    I wish people would/could leave politics out of a Steelers Football Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Conner's ypc is only slightly lower than Bell's numbers last he played.... could it be simply we are seeing a decline in the OL run blocking in general?
    Conner has 24 less carries than Bell. That’s a fairly large number when we’re talking about 4 games. The problem is they didn’t even try to establish a running game except for the monsoon in Cleveland. Falling behind 21 to KC and 14 to Baltimore didn’t help. Even after tying both games up, they still didn’t even try to run. That’s a problem when a team becomes one dimensional on offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBucks View Post
    Conner has 24 less carries than Bell. That’s a fairly large number when we’re talking about 4 games. The problem is they didn’t even try to establish a running game except for the monsoon in Cleveland. Falling behind 21 to KC and 14 to Baltimore didn’t help. Even after tying both games up, they still didn’t even try to run. That’s a problem when a team becomes one dimensional on offense.
    This is what I have been trying to say...
    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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    Please go to CBS Sports.com

    Jason La Confora reports that Steelers are not taking Bell back and will trade him. Mr . Laconfora reports that management has moved on from him as well as the team. The leading contender for Bell seems to be the Eagles.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/latest-on-leveon-bell-why-hes-done-with-steelers-eagles-should-make-the-trade-and-more-notes/

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