We all agree that some of these play calls are brain dead stupid, but can't Ben check out of them? 11-year vet, franchise QB, team leader - he can't be blameless here.
When seeing the Pats back in a zone, why even run the AB pass play? 3rd and goal from the five and we run DW - can't he check out?
Ditto with the clock mgmt. Why can't Ben stop the clock at the end of the first half, or before the 2:00 minute warning?
Ben isn't that smart... great QB but he isn't really one of those QB's who tries to draw the D offsides or snaps the ball before the other team is set.
He is old school, it's all about beating you physically... not mentally.
I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.
"Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"
This was exactly my thoughts especially after the way he ran the offense last year. On the 3rd and five with a running play called,IMO, Ben has two options, call a timeout or audible out of the play, even with the success the Steelers were having running the football gaining 5 yards on a running play inside the 10 yard line is a rare occurrence. You rarely surprise an NFL team with that play call.Originally Posted by WindyCitySteel
The trickeration play was called too early in the game, with the running game gouging them and Ben moving the ball through the air you keep that play in your back pocket for a crucial time in the game after you have set it up with multiple WR screens or little pitch and catch completions. It failed, IMO, because, the pats weren't set up for the play, they had no reason to bite and come and make a tackle on Brown the Steelers had only run 5 or 6 plays. That play requires a games worth of set up to be successful.
The clock management continues to befuddle me, you would think by now that this would not be an issue, but stunningly it is. A coach in his 9th year and a quarterback in his 11th year should not have issues managing the clock, but its evident that they do.
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I still put more blame on Haley. He takes the ball out of Ben's hands too much in the RZ.
I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.
"Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"
Agreed, but Ben should be able to check out of it. I'm fine with trying to punch it in from the 1, but not the 5 on 3rd down.
Anyway, the schedule gets all kinds of brutal after SF. They simply must win that game and start correcting some of these issues.
yeah, as much as I want to blame Haley...Ben is in his 11th year. Alsonwouldnt be surprised if Ben checked for he run. There are times when we blame Haley then find out Ben checked into a running play.
I lost a bet about Najee gaining 1300 yards.
"Our head coach has failed to win a playoff game for seven years in a row. His game day strategy, culture of divas, in game decisions, clock management, player evaluation, hires, and affinity with sub par starters at RB, P, and OL are holding the Steelers back. That standard remains the standard"
The truth is Ben is pretty dumb as far as QB IQ goes. He has never and will never be the kind of QB like Peyton, Manning, Luck, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc that calls successful audibles, has good pre-snap recognition or call for blitz protections. He also is in love with the big play and for most of his career (until Haley finally got him to buy in) he wouldn't take the easier underneath outlets or run (did this in Pats game too). That said, nobody in the history of the league is better at improvisation or extending plays and certainly harder to get down. You take the good with the bad.
The infamous trick play call that killed that drive wasn't a bad call but once the defense showed zone with the safeties able to see the play unfolding before them it should have been changed by Ben at the LOS. Somehow fans that just don't understand football blame Haley. We've now had 11 years of history that shows this sort of play is really on Ben.
The clock management is really on Tomlin. Again...Ben is not cerebral so expecting him to do this is asking too much.
Discussions like this are one of the main reasons why I increasingly dissociate myself from other Steeler fans. You wanna know who's really dumb here? People who call a QB who's had only 1.96% of his passes intercepted in the last five seasons dumb. Posts #2 and #7 are null and ****ing void.
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I thought they practice clock management/end of game situations every day in camp. That's why this stuff surprises me when it happens.
Maybe they bungle them in practice, too.
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