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Thread: Aside from Ben, Which player do we not win without in the last 10 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Troy and Hines were on the field for more snaps than Casey...

    For that reason, I'd put him 3rd on that list...
    But when Casey ran of the field after 2 plays that meant he did his job and the Nickel D had to come in and do theirs.

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    Hampton was the man in the middle and no one blocked him. It took two guys and that's the biggest reason our run Defense was #1 every year (or close to it).
    Again I take you back to 2004. This time within the same season.

    6 games with Casey we average giving up 103 RUSHING yards a game.
    10 games WITHOUT Casey we give up 68 yards a game.

    In Hokes first every NFL start we give up FIVE rushing yards in a victory against the eventual Super Bowl champs.

    We played every divisional foe both with and without Casey

    Versus Ravens
    With Casey 172
    Without Casey 71

    Versus Browns
    With Casey 98
    Without Casey 68

    Versus Bengals
    With Casey 137
    With Casey 62

    Against COMMON OPPONENTS in the VERY SAME SEASON we essentially gave up TWICE THE RUSH YARDAGE with Casey as we did without Casey.

    By any conceivable standard our defense was not hurt much by his absence.

    Casey WAS NOT the biggest reason our run defense excelled. When our line backing crew is solid, NT gets WAY too much credit for their success.

    We had the NFLs best rush defense with or without Casey.
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    Hines and Troy. No doubt about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    Hines and Troy. No doubt about it.
    Think about the timing of the RISE of this defense to elite status. 2003 Casey a 3 year starter, Casey's 1st probowl season. Troy rides the pine as a rookie, defense was nothing special.

    Even as Troy is getting his bearings, early in 2004 it's not there yet. As Troy got going SO DID THE ENTIRE DEFENSE DESPITE CASEYS ABSENCE. The emergence of Troy is the one variable that explains the huge defensive turnaround.

    The recent run of success involves THREE THINGS that happened in 2004.
    Bens arrival
    Troys emergence
    And yes haters it involved THE RETURN OF THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE MIND IN NFL HISTORY, Lebeau.

    Both offense AND defense made huge strides that year.

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    The last 2 years, the Defense has suffered in the run department and it just so happens that Casey retired when the run D began to suffer. He was a huge asset to our run D.

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    Troy's impact (loss) coincided with others too. I think that doesn't get played up enough. e.g. One year, Troy was hurt a while, but it coincided with Aaron Smith being out at the same time. (BTW, I'm not one who overplays Aaron Smith's impact... though he was a good player.)

    The guys who really impact the team IMO, are the guys who alter the culture. There were two, in the 2000's: Joey Porter and Hines Ward. (As I type that, I realize how dumb I am... those guys are pretty much out of that 10-year window.) TBH, it can't be Bettis or Peezy then (out of the time frame). Aaron Smith and Hines are out too (neither was in the real prime in that time frame, and both have been retired a few years now).

    I guess it has to be Polamalu then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    Troy's impact (loss) coincided with others too. I think that doesn't get played up enough. e.g. One year, Troy was hurt a while, but it coincided with Aaron Smith being out at the same time. (BTW, I'm not one who overplays Aaron Smith's impact... though he was a good player.)

    The guys who really impact the team IMO, are the guys who alter the culture. There were two, in the 2000's: Joey Porter and Hines Ward. (As I type that, I realize how dumb I am... those guys are pretty much out of that 10-year window.) TBH, it can't be Bettis or Peezy then (out of the time frame). Aaron Smith and Hines are out too (neither was in the real prime in that time frame, and both have been retired a few years now).

    I guess it has to be Polamalu then.
    I think you can include Hines in this discussion as far as time frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelCrazy View Post
    The last 2 years, the Defense has suffered in the run department and it just so happens that Casey retired when the run D began to suffer. He was a huge asset to our run D.
    But A LOT has changed, not just Casey.
    Save for ONE GUY, (Timmons) we will have a front seven that has completely changed in rapid order.
    Not only have we lost people, several on last years team were so much on the decline that they are not on the team anymore.

    Conversely WE HAVE SEEN the impact of losing Casey when everything else on the team is the same.

    I repeat, when this team was loaded WE NEVER MISSED CASEY.

    Last year we lost plenty more than just Casey.

    As much as he gets no love Foote LED THE TEAM with 113 tackles replaced by who? Vince Williams? Oh and he was so bad WE HAD TROY playing ILBer at times.
    Aging as as he was James Harrison led the team with 11 tackles during his last game as a Steeler. Replaced by Jones who was lost for most of the season.

    Those are HUGE loses to the run defense last season along with Casey. Season prior we lost Farrior and Smith.

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    There are three HoF worthy players on the team during that time period:

    1) Ben

    2) Troy

    3) Hines

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    Apparently a 5x pro bowler, Team MVP 2005, 2013 Pittsburgh Pro Football HoFamer, and Steelers All Time Team member was an insignificant player.

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