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Thread: Ben's best magic trick is making receivers appear much better than they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Ward and Brown are the only real deal WRs Ben has ever played with.
    Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Do they?

    Look at Plaxico the year after he left the Steelers:

    76 catches - 1214 yards - 7 TDs

    to Wallace last year:

    73 catches - 930 yards - 5 TDs
    we also need to factor in OC..

    BA was vertical so guys like Wallace and Nate Washington had great stats

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    I wouldn't necessarily use the argument that Ben "made" Plax and Holmes. Both were solid players that were 1st round picks. There is a reason they were 1st round picks to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jigawatts View Post
    Plax is tall
    and he is 6'4"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Do they?

    Look at Plaxico the year after he left the Steelers:

    76 catches - 1214 yards - 7 TDs

    to Wallace last year:

    73 catches - 930 yards - 5 TDs
    Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.
    1. Carl Lawson-DE/OLB Auburn
    2. Marcus Williams-FS Utah
    3 Jake Butt-TE Michigan
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    4. Samaje Perine-RB OU
    5. Eddie Vanderdoes-DT/DE UCLA
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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzfelt View Post
    Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.
    Good, yes.
    1. Carl Lawson-DE/OLB Auburn
    2. Marcus Williams-FS Utah
    3 Jake Butt-TE Michigan
    3B. Raekwon McMillan-ILB tOSU
    4. Samaje Perine-RB OU
    5. Eddie Vanderdoes-DT/DE UCLA
    6. Josh Malone-WR Tennessee
    7. Tarik "The Human Joystick" Cohen-RB/WR/PR, NCA+T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.
    ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

    What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

    What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?
    Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.
    Perhaps not...

    But, again, if the argument is that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are, how does comparing them with Ben refute or support that particular argument?

    He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post

    He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?
    our offensive philosophy was different with Plax.... we were more ball control and weren't stretching the field like we were under BA. Wallace primarily ran go routes so it appears he was better but he wasn't.

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