Ben's best magic trick is making receivers appear much better than they are

[dizzfelt]

Ward and Brown are the only real deal WRs Ben has ever played with.

Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.

[dizzfelt]

Do they?

Look at Plaxico the year after he left the Steelers:

76 catches - 1214 yards - 7 TDs

to Wallace last year:

73 catches - 930 yards - 5 TDs

we also need to factor in OC..

BA was vertical so guys like Wallace and Nate Washington had great stats

[steelz09]

I wouldn't necessarily use the argument that Ben "made" Plax and Holmes. Both were solid players that were 1st round picks. There is a reason they were 1st round picks to begin with.

[SteelCrazy]

Plax is tall

and he is 6'4"

[Shawn]

Do they?

Look at Plaxico the year after he left the Steelers:

76 catches - 1214 yards - 7 TDs

to Wallace last year:

73 catches - 930 yards - 5 TDs

Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.

[Shawn]

Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.

Good, yes.

[Slapstick]

Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.

ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?

[RuthlessBurgher]

ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?

What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?

Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.

[Slapstick]

Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.

Perhaps not...

But, again, if the argument is that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are, how does comparing them with Ben refute or support that particular argument?

He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?

[dizzfelt]

He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?

our offensive philosophy was different with Plax.... we were more ball control and weren't stretching the field like we were under BA. Wallace primarily ran go routes so it appears he was better but he wasn't.