Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.Originally Posted by Shawn
Holmes was pretty darn good at WR for us.
we also need to factor in OC..
BA was vertical so guys like Wallace and Nate Washington had great stats
I wouldn't necessarily use the argument that Ben "made" Plax and Holmes. Both were solid players that were 1st round picks. There is a reason they were 1st round picks to begin with.
and he is 6'4"
2017 Mock
1. T.J Watt, OLB/DE, Wisconsin - will be a huge mistake if available and we pass
2. Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson
3. Josh Jones, S, N.C. State
3. Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland
4. Trey Hendrickson, DE, Florida Atlantic
5. Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
6. Barry Sanders, RB, Oklahoma State (How can you go wrong with that name, however the sample size is so small that his dad may be better even in his 50's)
7. Alec Torgersen, QB, Pennsylvania
Slappy, I expect more from you. You are one of the brighter posters here. Comparing production after they leave with different QBs in different systems is apples to oranges. I want to see what they do with Ben. Wallace had a higher YPC and more TDs with comparable yards with Ben.
Round 1-Rashaan Evans-ILB Alabama
Round 2- Jessie Bates-FS Wake Forest
Round 3- Kyzir White-SS West Virginia
Round 5-Shaquem Griffin-OLB Central Florida
Round 5b- Bo Scarborough-RB Alabama
Round 7- Richie James-WR/slot/utility-MTSU
Round 7b- Brett Toth-OT-Army
Good, yes.
Round 1-Rashaan Evans-ILB Alabama
Round 2- Jessie Bates-FS Wake Forest
Round 3- Kyzir White-SS West Virginia
Round 5-Shaquem Griffin-OLB Central Florida
Round 5b- Bo Scarborough-RB Alabama
Round 7- Richie James-WR/slot/utility-MTSU
Round 7b- Brett Toth-OT-Army
ummm...isn't the argument that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are?
What better way to compare Wallace and Burress then? If Ben makes WRs look good, why not compare how they look when NOT playing with Ben?
Eli Manning with a good OL vs. Ryan Tannehill behind an OL in utter shambles isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, though.
If Roquan Smith falls to late teens, trade 1.28 & 2.60 to SEA for 1.18 & 4.120:
1.18 LB Roquan Smith
3.92 FS Jessie Bates
4.120 RB Royce Freeman
5.148 DT Ken Norton
5.165 TE Chris Herndon
7.220 WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling
7.246 OT Brett Toth
If not:
1.28 LB Leighton Vander Esch
2.60 C/G Billy Price
3.92 FS Jessie Bates
5.148 DT Ken Norton
5.165 TE Chris Herndon
7.220 RB Ito Smith
7.246 WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Perhaps not...
But, again, if the argument is that Ben makes WRs look better than they really are, how does comparing them with Ben refute or support that particular argument?
He made Wallace look more better than he did Plaxico?
our offensive philosophy was different with Plax.... we were more ball control and weren't stretching the field like we were under BA. Wallace primarily ran go routes so it appears he was better but he wasn't.
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