Ovi, look at the rookie year numbers for those guys. Starting with the top 5, each of whom played DE as a rookie, how many had more than 5 sacks as a rookie? The answer is none, and most contributed very little.
The Steelers are moving towards a D that does not have to substitute. If you play undersized pass rushers at DE throughout a game, they will get worn out and run over.
You can find a DE to rush the passer, but they are typically undersized guys who play in sub packages. I'm talking about complete DEs that can play the run and pass. They're hard to come by. Don't take my word for it; Tomlin is the one who said that it is easier to find players for the 3-4.
But, again, the statistics you cite don't support your point...
Look at the names on your list:
Robert Mathis - 12 years
Robert Quinn - 4 years
Greg Hardy - 5 years
Mario Williams - 9 years
Cameron Jordan - 4 years
Junior Galette - 5 years
John Abraham - 15 years
Jared Allen - 11 years
Chandler Jones - 3 years
Olivier Vernon - 3 years
No rookies...
Of the sack artists on that list, only two of them exceeded 5 sacks during their first NFL season...Allen and Vernon...not even Mario Williams, #1 overall pick, could record 5 sacks as a rookie...
How many exceeded 10 sacks during their first NFL season?
Zero
Regardless of position, it takes most players at least a year to acclimate to the NFL...usually, it takes more than one year for a pass rusher to accumulate a double digit sack total...
Point out all you want that none of the DE mentioned exceeded 5 sacks, but I bet all or most had more than the 1 Jarvis Jones had. Also, I bet these guys typically played more than an OLB typically plays in our system as a rookie.
"My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"
Okay...but, the point is still valid that all of those players had an NFL learning curve, regardless of whether or not they played DE or OLB in college or the NFL...
It isn't as though those guys came into the NFL recording double digit sacks their respective rookie years...
Look at recent drafts Dizz.
2013
Dion J 6'6" 250 can go to any team as DE or LB
Ditto for
Anzah
Mingo
All three coveted by EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL. All three drafted TOP 6. Despite modest college production the are long gone before we draft.
Jarvis Jones a college 3/4 LB who specializes in pass rush leading the country is ONLY a consideration of 3/4 teams, we draft him at 17. HE IS THW ONLY PASS RUSH SPECIALIST taken by a 3/4 team in the first. EVERY SINGLE TWEENER was gobbled up by a 4/3 team with a top 6 pick.
It is simple numbers. EVERYONE IN THE NFL wants 6'5' 250.
6'2" 240 pass rush specialists only gets first round interest from half the teams.
Another way to look at it is we essentially have twice the talent pool. It is easier for us because we CAN TAKE 6'6" 250, but are not LIMITED to that guy as our prototype.
The same when it comes to OUR DE options. We get Heyward and Tuitt, WHO ARE OUR PROTOTYPES, way later than prototype Dline 4/3 guys. Nix went with what could have been OUR 3RD ROUND pick.
If Woodley or Jones were 6'6" 250 the would go top 10 EASY.
Last edited by Captain Lemming; 06-18-2014 at 04:26 PM.
In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:
TCFCLTC-
The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher
I passionately disagree about Mingo and jordan being DEs. Mingo is the prototype weakside OLB in a 34 (pretty sure the browns are running a 34 again btw) and Dion Jordan is tremendous in space and in coverage and is best fit for a 43 OLB ala Manny Lawson. 43 DE should be his last position
Never thought of Ansah as a tweener, he was full on 43 DE to me, lebeau loved him though
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