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    Old and Slow? LOL! Good article from Wexell on Steelers D

    [URL]http://pit.scout.com/story/1407065-old-and-slow-lol?s=68[/URL]

    This isn't your father's -- or even your older brother's -- Steelers defense anymore. As one RB put it, "Athleticism is taking over."


    Thursday was a day to work on the long ball, and Le'Veon Bell got his.
    Bell, the running back who lines up as a receiver at times, ran even with William Gay but Ben Roethlisberger got rid of it early and timed it perfectly, or just before the new free safety, Mike Mitchell, could get over to the far sideline.


    Bell came down with the ball, a rare defeat for Mitchell, who's the Steelers' new free safety, and a fast one.
    While Ryan Clark showed the Steelers how to win with brains, it's also true that speed kills. And Mitchell, who was timed in the 40 by the Oakland Raiders at 4.39 at his 2009 pro day, is just another speedy addition to the Steelers' next-era defense.


    Has Le'Veon noticed a difference?


    "Most definitely," said Bell. "For one I think a lot of guys are able to play faster because it's their second year, guys like Jarvis (Jones) and Shamarko (Thomas), guys like that knowing exactly what they've got to do and doing it a lot faster. Obviously Ryan Shazier is a very fast guy. He can close fast. And LT (Lawrence Timmons) is obviously a fast guy. Overall they're playing faster and they know where they have to be. Athleticism is taking over."


    The Steelers lost leadership in Clark, LaMarr Woodley, Larry Foote and Brett Keisel this off-season, but added speed in Mitchell, first-round pick Shazier, second-round pick Stephon Tuitt and free agent Arthur Moats.


    Shazier, the new mack linebacker, was timed by the Steelers at 4.40, while Tuitt, a 310-pound defensive end, was once timed at 4.78. Moats, the backup to Jason Worilds at LOLB, was timed at 4.69 at the 2010 combine.


    As Bell pointed out, the Steelers are also expecting faster play from second-year players such as Jones and Thomas, as well as Vince Williams and Terence Garvin. They also signed cornerback Brice McCain, who was timed at 4.33 seconds during the 2009 draft season.


    Throw recovering linebacker Sean Spence into the mix -- and even the fastest LB coach in the NFL, Joey Porter -- and the national media can finally stop using Warren Sapp's "old and slow" comment from 2011 to describe the Steelers' defense.


    "Even the nose tackle can move," said reporter and former player Craig Wolfley. "I was standing on the sideline when Steve McLendon was running past me to get to the ball down the field. I think I now know what it's like to run with the bulls at Pamplona."


    No one on the unit flashes to the sideline like Shazier, but the most obvious upgrade is Mitchell, who was described by one Steelers scout as "an overdrafted core special-teamer until he broke out last year."
    The scout said that Mitchell "made one wow play after another last year," but Mitchell, who had 4 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles and 3 1/2 sacks last season, was too humble to pick out a favorite.
    "I have a wow moment," he said, "and that was beating the Saints at home and clinching our division and then beating Atlanta (and) getting our bye. That was a wow experience for our whole team. Me, personally, I don't know. We had some good moments. I made some decent plays but I feel that was just me sticking my toe in the water. I expect to make even bigger, better plays this year, and I've got a great guy to learn from in Troy Polamalu."


    And that's more speed, because spring absentees Polamalu and Ike Taylor have long been the fastest guys on the Steelers' defense. Maybe they don't run in the 4.3s as they did coming out of college, but their honed instincts no doubt make them the fastest graybeards in the league.


    "When he gets here I'm going to be all in his pocket trying to figure out what he does," Mitchell said of meeting Polamalu. "I don't know if I'll be jumping over the center, but I do plan on taking the ball away."
    And that could very easily become a theme for this defense.

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    I don't know if anyone remembers the Univ. of Miami back in the day, when they hired Jimmy Johnson to replace Schnellenberger. He was a firm believer in speed over brute force and recruited players that were lighter, but faster than everyone they were playing and it turned Miami into a powerhouse program. The NFL game is changing and faster lighter players are probably going to be coveted over brute force and at almost every position.

    I'm excited to see how this speed thing works out for the Steelers.

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    Yea, I am excited to see if we really show the speed of the defense. It has for quite a few years seemed like the Steeler defense seems slower in their game. Not slow like "Fat Boy" on NFLN talks about. But like they don't have the speed in their play like some other defenses around the league, whom seem to be flying all over the field. The Steelers always seem to be where they are suppose to be (for the most part) but they just don't show me the crazy get to the ball I see many other teams possess. I really like the idea of being that type of defense. Sort like the one or two series you get like after most "Renegade" series at home games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    I don't know if anyone remembers the Univ. of Miami back in the day, when they hired Jimmy Johnson to replace Schnellenberger. He was a firm believer in speed over brute force and recruited players that were lighter, but faster than everyone they were playing and it turned Miami into a powerhouse program. The NFL game is changing and faster lighter players are probably going to be coveted over brute force and at almost every position.

    I'm excited to see how this speed thing works out for the Steelers.

    Pappy
    Totally agree with the need for speed to deal with the rules in the NFL today, but I bet by October we have a number of poster complaining using the "strong at the point of attack" and "run stuffer" cliches
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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    I don't know if anyone remembers the Univ. of Miami back in the day, when they hired Jimmy Johnson to replace Schnellenberger. He was a firm believer in speed over brute force and recruited players that were lighter, but faster than everyone they were playing and it turned Miami into a powerhouse program. The NFL game is changing and faster lighter players are probably going to be coveted over brute force and at almost every position.

    I'm excited to see how this speed thing works out for the Steelers.

    Pappy
    That's when the 4-3 "over" was popularized....it countered 80s college wishbone offenses with speed and explosiveness...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Totally agree with the need for speed to deal with the rules in the NFL today, but I bet by October we have a number of poster complaining using the "strong at the point of attack" and "run stuffer" cliches
    I'm looking forward to seeing the defense with more speed, particularly from Mitchell at FS. However, all of that speed may be wasted if McClendon can't get the job done at NT. Despite his penetrating style, he doesn't make a ton of plays, nor does he eat up two blockers while holding the point the way Hampton did. The Steelers need the DL to keep their linebackers clean.

    I know that you disdain the notion of stopping the run, but the inability to stop the run last year was part of why Polamalu spent so much time playing LBer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyesq View Post
    I'm looking forward to seeing the defense with more speed, particularly from Mitchell at FS. However, all of that speed may be wasted if McClendon can't get the job done at NT. Despite his penetrating style, he doesn't make a ton of plays, nor does he eat up two blockers while holding the point the way Hampton did. The Steelers need the DL to keep their linebackers clean.

    I know that you disdain the notion of stopping the run, but the inability to stop the run last year was part of why Polamalu spent so much time playing LBer.
    I disagree...

    A dearth of talent and/or experience at LB led to Troy playing LB...

    For the snaps that he played, McClendon was fine...it has been shown that runs up the middle weren't the successful ones...

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    Yea know, I had to laugh when Phil Simms said, while covering a Steelers' game last year, "If you take out the 20 big plays that the Steelers gave up, this is still a good defense." Well, excuse me? That's like when the anti Fast Willie crew would say, "If you take out his longest runs, his average is only 2.2 yards" or something along those lines. Simms, the point is you don't get to "take out" the 20 big plays the D gave up; they are who their stats say they are. Giving up those 20 big plays happened. You can't say "If you take them out, this is still a good D." Not only did this team lose it's ability to shut the rush down cold, they left gaping holes all over the place down the field. Either aspect is a problem; combine them both and you don't post a winning season. And we didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sick beats View Post
    Yea know, I had to laugh when Phil Simms said, while covering a Steelers' game last year, "If you take out the 20 big plays that the Steelers gave up, this is still a good defense." Well, excuse me? That's like when the anti Fast Willie crew would say, "If you take out his longest runs, his average is only 2.2 yards" or something along those lines. Simms, the point is you don't get to "take out" the 20 big plays the D gave up; they are who their stats say they are. Giving up those 20 big plays happened. You can't say "If you take them out, this is still a good D." Not only did this team lose it's ability to shut the rush down cold, they left gaping holes all over the place down the field. Either aspect is a problem; combine them both and you don't post a winning season. And we didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycafan View Post
    Yea, I am excited to see if we really show the speed of the defense. It has for quite a few years seemed like the Steeler defense seems slower in their game. Not slow like "Fat Boy" on NFLN talks about. But like they don't have the speed in their play like some other defenses around the league, whom seem to be flying all over the field. The Steelers always seem to be where they are suppose to be (for the most part) but they just don't show me the crazy get to the ball I see many other teams possess. I really like the idea of being that type of defense. Sort like the one or two series you get like after most "Renegade" series at home games.
    Fat boy was correct... I know he is hated but we were old and slow. You repeated everything he said about our D and you are correct. It was slower than other D's and it showed.

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