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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Yea, well, there is that, I wonder if current contracts are now containing language that informs the player that they are playing with the understanding that the game is violent and the NFL is not responsible for injuries or future problems due to repeated collisions?

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    Don't you have to sign waivers like that when you do something as tame as renting a bouncy castle for your kid's birthday party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher View Post
    Don't you have to sign waivers like that when you do something as tame as renting a bouncy castle for your kid's birthday party?
    Yea, I'm pretty sure that you do, so I guess the answer to my question is "in all likelihood" they have those types a clauses in the contracts. However, prior to some year, I don't know when, the contracts probably didn't carry those types clauses, they probably assumed each player realized it is a dangerous game.

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    To me, I guess it depends upon the side effects being referred to in the lawsuit...

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    Ditka on painkillers: “If you don’t want to take them, don’t take them”

    Posted by Mike Florio on May 24, 2014



    Several members of the ’85 Bears have sued the NFL for, among other things, giving them painkillers without warning them of the risks and side effects. Their old-school coach has commented on the topic, applying a predictably old-school attitude.

    “If you don’t want to take them, don’t take them,” Mike Ditka told the Chicago Sun-Times. “I don’t think anybody ever forces anyone to do anything. If you don’t want to take it, don’t take it. If you wanted it, they were available. There’s no question about that. Is that right? I don’t know.”

    It’s only right if they knew the risks when making the decision to take the drugs. Without knowing the risks, they could take anything if they think it would help them get back onto the field, from steroids to strychnine.

    The NFL has a right to defend itself against the new suit, but it’s wrong for anyone to attack players who chose to take medications without being given — by the doctors who were obligated to care for them — information about the risks and side effects.

    Would some of the players have taken the medication anyway? Sure. Would some of the coaches (like Ditka) have pressured them to take the medication so that they’d be able to play? Do I even need to answer that?

    None of it matters if the doctors didn’t bother to share the risks with the players. If that’s the case, the players bear no blame because they never had the chance to consciously assume the risk.

    Would we have it any other way for our family members or for ourselves? Don’t we expect doctors to tell us the potential risks of taking prescription medication? For some of the drugs advertised on TV, some of the items on the list of possible side effects sound a lot worse than the condition the medication is supposed to treat.

    Everyone is entitled to know that information, regardless of the impact of the information on their decision to take the medication.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ont-take-them/

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    Florio is trying to show off his law degree. That's fine but he's insulting the intelligence of the players when he assumes they were completely ignorant of risks. In the first place, I find it hard to believe that every team doctor or trainer never mentioned risks. And even if they didn't there are other ways of learning the risks. Read labels; read package inserts, read the papers, etc. These guys all played high school and college football and certainly would have had aspirin and ibuprofen in their medicine chests.

    Sure, I want me and my family to be informed, but even Florio admits that the TV advertisements for prescription drugs include a list of possible side effects. OK, listen to them. And when I pick up a prescription drug at the pharmacy, the package includes a long printout of warnings about side effects and drug interactions.

    I am not "attacking the players" (his words). I'm just skeptical of the "Gee, I had no idea" argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinCole View Post
    Florio is trying to show off his law degree. That's fine but he's insulting the intelligence of the players when he assumes they were completely ignorant of risks. In the first place, I find it hard to believe that every team doctor or trainer never mentioned risks. And even if they didn't there are other ways of learning the risks. Read labels; read package inserts, read the papers, etc. These guys all played high school and college football and certainly would have had aspirin and ibuprofen in their medicine chests.

    Sure, I want me and my family to be informed, but even Florio admits that the TV advertisements for prescription drugs include a list of possible side effects. OK, listen to them. And when I pick up a prescription drug at the pharmacy, the package includes a long printout of warnings about side effects and drug interactions.

    I am not "attacking the players" (his words). I'm just skeptical of the "Gee, I had no idea" argument.
    OTOH, I'm sure that back in the day, team doctors were very diligent in handing out the warning literature that came with the pain killers...

    Hell, the doctor probably had a cigarette in his mouth while he was handing the stuff out...

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    None of us will ever know what every doctor was saying or what they were handing out. By the way, "back in the day". other names for cigarettes were "coffin nails" and "cancer sticks". So before the warnings on cigarette packs, people still knew.

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    is it that hard for an NFL player to jump on the internet and google drug "X" and see what the potential side affects are?
    i know these guys are stupid but come on, if you can figure out how to tweet, text and send your c ock shots out to chicks, you can surf the web
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    You could google when Ditka was playing?

    Or even when he was coaching the '85 Bears?

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    As usual, it boils down to money.

    Back in the day, if a player didn't play, he didn't get paid or he didn't get the big contract after his rookie signing. No such thing as guaranteed money back then.
    "The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you don't want to do."

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