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    Quote Originally Posted by steelblood View Post
    Legend says ... "There is only one God and one Bible" & "Homosexuality and football seem like the last 2 things in the world that should be mixing"

    But, Christians can't even agree on the right version of the Bible. And, the Bible is full of inaccuracies and politically motivated slants on stories. It is written by men, translated by men. Humans are not infallible. To literally interpret the whole of the Bible is simply short-sighted. Most ministers and priests concede this.

    Finally, do you think Jesus would turn his back on homosexuals or even sit in judgement of them? That is not the Jesus of which I read. The idea that christianity is the only religion that has it correct is simply closed-minded and (in my opinion) not what Jesus would have approved of. Take Communion, for example. Do you think Jesus would have wanted Catholics excluding other Christians from Communion because they are not Catholic? That is ludicrous and the exact opposite of the spirit of the first communion.

    Religion is a wonderful and powerful thing. I believe in it. But, I also know that man is inherently self-interested. We struggle against this every day. Jesus taught us not to judge and to accept everyone (even if we find their choices unsavory). To be totally selfless, we must lose this notion that we know what is right and open our minds and our hearts to all. This is the peaceful and beautiful message of Jesus, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, and the Dalai Lama. When religious institutions lead us toward judgmental and hateful stances, they are forsaking these figures and what they stand for.
    The Bible was breathed into man, inspired by God himself. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. It goes back to my point of if it feels right then it must be ok...to each his own. Love is the motive but it is also a book of warning.
    It's not the person I will judge...I am speaking against the act...something I have stated a million times. God will be the judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legend of polamalu View Post
    The Bible was breathed into man, inspired by God himself. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. It goes back to my point of if it feels right then it must be ok...to each his own. Love is the motive but it is also a book of warning.
    It's not the person I will judge...I am speaking against the act...something I have stated a million times. God will be the judge.
    Quoting one Bible passage is a dangerous and slippery undertaking. Look at the Mormons. They are christians who believe(d) that man could take many wives based on what they read in the Bible.

    "God will be the judge," not you.

    And yet, you do judge. So, do religious leaders. They judge every day. Many christian groups and leaders have agendas full of hate. This is not what Jesus taught us.

    I studied theology with Jesuit priests and Protestant Ministers. I walked away with just as many questions as answers. And, I'm ok with that. that is the struggle of life. There is much gray in this world. We need to approach things we don't understand or don't necessarily find correct with an open mind and a kind heart. That is the only way to live a righteous life.
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    Why does it even matter what the Bible says?

    This is about sports and media coverage.

    Get over yourself. Your religion (and mine too!) does not determine what others should do or believe, or put on tv. If you don't like it, turn it off.

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    Take this crap to another forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    You take the Bible literally, but most don't.
    What you said, Flip.... It was written by a bunch of dudes, in may cases, they were ordered by their respective govornments. So, you can't take it literally.

    Example: Did you guys know that King James' bible was "translated" by the best writers of his time, including William Shakespeare. Quick story on that. He secretly snuck his name into the bible. He was 46 at the time he was working on his part. Psalms 46 - 46th word from the beginning.."shake". 46th word from the end.."spear".

    When you come across stuff like that, it's difficult to take it literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legend of polamalu View Post
    So I guess you don't believe in God? I would be wondering a lot on how this world came into existence.
    Everybody wonders that. It's human nature. What I believe and what you believe are irrelevant in the grand scheme. We all believe different stuff. I guess my point was why hold someone else to the standard you create for yourself? Why not just live your own life and let others live theirs?

    Maybe Jesus said it more clearly than I could..."Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

    Just cause I need to eat less donuts doesn't mean everyone else does too. We should all be able to freely choose how many donuts are right for us. There wouldn't be all this discussion right now about gay athletes if the world wasn't filled with people who cared how many donuts other people eat.

    Another way to look at this is if you tell a skinny man who doesn't eat donuts that he's gonna die from eating donuts, you're wasting your breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    Everybody wonders that. It's human nature. What I believe and what you believe are irrelevant in the grand scheme. We all believe different stuff. I guess my point was why hold someone else to the standard you create for yourself? Why not just live your own life and let others live theirs?

    Maybe Jesus said it more clearly than I could..."Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

    Just cause I need to eat less donuts doesn't mean everyone else does too. We should all be able to freely choose how many donuts are right for us. There wouldn't be all this discussion right now about gay athletes if the world wasn't filled with people who cared how many donuts other people eat.

    Another way to look at this is if you tell a skinny man who doesn't eat donuts that he's gonna die from eating donuts, you're wasting your breath.
    Flippy,

    I challenge you to only respond to posts using doughnut analogies for one week. I really enjoy your doughnut obsession for some reason, entertaining stuff.

    Also, I may have to go to the bakery in the morning. Doughnuts sound great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelblood View Post
    Flippy,

    I challenge you to only respond to posts using doughnut analogies for one week. I really enjoy your doughnut obsession for some reason, entertaining stuff.

    Also, I may have to go to the bakery in the morning. Doughnuts sound great!
    If I keep talking in donut, we're all gonna end up needing a diet. I'm getting seriously hungry over here. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by legend of polamalu View Post
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    I never said or will ever say I hate these people,,, if anything I mentioned that it is their lifestyle that is repulsive. Many gay men and woman who struggle with this come to know God and renounce their past behavior.
    As far as the Bible it does talk about this...
    Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
    •Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
    •1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
    •Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

    Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. It undermines the basis of God's created order where God made Adam, a man, and Eve, a woman -- not two men, not two women -- to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Gen. 1:2. Homosexuality cannot carry out that command. It also undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife, the God-ordained means of procreation.
    Already addressed in my post...Leviticus and Paul speaking about the pagan raping of young boys by men in pagan worship. First, using Leviticus as a weapon against a group of people is not only short sighted but it's ignorant.

    Do you violate some of the other rules of Leviticus?

    Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
    Don't cut your hair nor shave. (
    Leviticus 19:27)
    Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (
    Leviticus 20:9)

    What about eating pork? You like bacon?

    If you look at a verse without historical context, without proper translation you are looking at it in ignorance. The fact is this God was carving out a people who were his in a very hostile and violent world. He wanted them to multiply. He wanted them to have safe food practices. He wanted them to deal with death and sickness in sterile ways. All the rules that God applied to an ancient people in a violent world were to make them either unique, prosperous and/or safe. Many do not apply to Gentiles...which I assume you are. And certainly many do not apply to modern day New Covenant peoples. When is the last time you sacrificed an animal for your sins? Things changed, and so did the rules when God wrote his rules onto men's hearts.

    As for what Paul was speaking about...do a search. There is plenty of information out there on the historical context Paul was speaking about. But, he certainly wasn't speaking about men in a life long commitment to each other. He was speaking of the rape of young boys while worshipping a pagan god.

    If two men or women want to commit their lives to each other and to God...then I will welcome them into our church. I will love them like I love everyone else. If God wants to change them, or work on them about their sexual preferences...well that is his prerogative. But, it's not my job. Nor is it yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    What you said, Flip.... It was written by a bunch of dudes, in may cases, they were ordered by their respective govornments. So, you can't take it literally.

    Example: Did you guys know that King James' bible was "translated" by the best writers of his time, including William Shakespeare. Quick story on that. He secretly snuck his name into the bible. He was 46 at the time he was working on his part. Psalms 46 - 46th word from the beginning.."shake". 46th word from the end.."spear".

    When you come across stuff like that, it's difficult to take it literally.
    The Bible wasn't written by guys commanded to by government. That is false. But, Emperor Justinian did have an influence over the translations which effected some modern day doctrine specifically in regards to eternal punishment. It's why it's so important for believers to do research on not only the historical context but the original languages.

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