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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    Michael Sam
    2013 SEC DPOY

    Ht: 6'2"
    Wt: 261
    40: 4.91
    225: 17
    Broad: 114"
    Shuttle: 7.8
    Arm: 33 1/4"
    Hand: 9 1/8"


    Jarvis Jones
    2012 SEC DPOY

    Ht: 6'2"
    Wt: 245
    40: 4.92
    225: 23
    Broad: 111"
    Shuttle: 7.21
    Arm 33"
    Hand: 9 1/8"
    This right here is the problem with airing the combine. Bad assumptions based on information that doesn't have nearly as much to do with football as you think it does.

    Richard Sherman (arguably the best corner in the NFL) ran in the 4.6's. Most would say that's too slow to cover a 4.4 WR, but, he does it all day long.
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    2. Jordan Matthews, WR, Vandy
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    5. Zachariah Kerr, NT, Delaware
    5a. Shaquille Richardson, CB, Arizona
    6. Marcel Jensen, TE, Fresno State
    6a Greg Blair, ILB, Cincinnati
    7. Kaleb Ramsey, DE, Boston College

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelerOfDeVille View Post
    This right here is the problem with airing the combine. Bad assumptions based on information that doesn't have nearly as much to do with football as you think it does.

    Richard Sherman (arguably the best corner in the NFL) ran in the 4.6's. Most would say that's too slow to cover a 4.4 WR, but, he does it all day long.
    If 2/10 of a second spread out over 40 yards was such a difference maker mike wallace would have a few 700 yard games

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    Richard Sherman fell because Harbaugh told scouts he had an attitude problem.

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    Jones wasn't making a position switch. He also played great against the talented teams. Sam is 100% changing positions and so far has shown no aptitude for the new position he'll be asked to play. Sam's numbers were also greatly inflated against three of the worst teams they played.

    Doesn't matter, he won't beat Steeler so who cares.

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    Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by K Train View Post
    They could not be more different, way to look at just the workout numbers and form an opinion

    Jones might never be a sack artist or a pass rushing specialist but he can definitely play MLB in a 34 or SAM in a 43, hes a very very natural linebacker.

    Sam is not a natural linebacker at all, probably doesnt have the ability to be a 34 OLB pass rusher and doesnt really have the size to be a full time DE.

    Very Weird comparison based solely on 40 times i assume, and maybe being SEC DPOY
    "Very weird comparison"?
    Same conference, both were DPOY, both did it getting after the QB (a position where you typically are considered pretty fast for your size), both clock below mediocre times in the 40, both similar stature (i.e. not long).

    How is that a weird comparison?

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    Sam needs to get NFL strong and play at 250'ish. Same as JJ. But Sam needs a year or three to learn how to play OLB. JJ can play OLB the first day he entered the NFL. I think both will surprise when there careers are over. Need to work there craft to be the best they can be. JH was UDFA who learned and worked very hard it would seem to me. And at the time he became the starter was a top 5 OLB in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Richard Sherman fell because Harbaugh told scouts he had an attitude problem.
    turns out it's Jim Harbaugh who is the one with the attitude problem...

    Jim Harbaugh's relationship with 49ers brass is getting worse

    February 23, 2014



    Can GM Trent Baalke and coach Jim Harbaugh get along? The 49ers need to figure that out.

    INDIANAPOLIS -- Things are not getting better behind the scenes for the San Francisco 49ers. There was a persistent rumble throughout the combine about the extent of the rift between coach Jim Harbaugh and the team's front office. It doesn't seem like it will go away, and there is increasing buzz that the team might have to decide between Harbaugh or GM Trent Baalke.

    The men are barely speaking, I'm told, and almost all communication is through email. Harbaugh also has a strained relationship with team president Paraag Marathe, sources said, and he has clashed with many within the organization. It could prove untenable. If anything, the impression I got this week was that the situation there is actually much worse than how it has been portrayed in the media, and helps explain the delay in giving a new deal to the coach, who has two years left on a contract he has outperformed.

    Harbaugh has done nothing but reach, at least, the NFC Championship Game since coming to San Francisco three years ago, and the longer this goes on, the worse it might get. To almost anyone I posited the question to, the response was pretty much the same -- there is no way they can't extend Harbaugh. But then again, in the NFL, you never know.

    I've long expected Dolphins owner Stephen Ross to attempt to trade for Harbaugh, and we all know he already tried to hire him before firing a coach in the past. I'm also not surprised that the Browns made an attempt to land him as well, although, from what I have heard of that situation, Cleveland's approach did not get very far. Still, if other teams sense a vulnerability there, they will continue to explore, and it's hard to imagine Harbaugh coaching out a lame-duck year there in 2015 if he hasn't received an extension by then.

    This is a matter that will need attention this off-season, one way or the other. When the 49ers landed Harbaugh, his intensity, personality, potential issues getting along with others, etc., were no secret. Some wondered how long it might be before issues arose, with Baalke also very intense and strong-willed himself. If they did in some way move on from him -- via a trade or whatever -- many believe defensive line coach Jim Tomsula would be positioned to slide in.

    Perhaps owner Jed York can find a way to make this situation work long term and retain the many talented people he has assembled. He has proven to be a dynamic leader and a problem solver already.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...-getting-worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    "Very weird comparison"?
    Same conference, both were DPOY, both did it getting after the QB (a position where you typically are considered pretty fast for your size), both clock below mediocre times in the 40, both similar stature (i.e. not long).

    How is that a weird comparison?
    They just arent similar as football players. Jarvis is best standing up and Sam is best with his hand on the ground.

    Also, Jarvis is just a lot better

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    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis View Post
    Many great players were non-factors as rookies. You're just too dense to see it.

    so you know jones is gonna be great?
    1) CB D Dennard
    2) OLB R Shazier
    3) DE J Ellis
    4) WR M Bryant
    5a) OG D Yankey
    5b) OLB J Tripp
    6a) RB D Archer
    6b) NT D McCullers
    7) WR J Janis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    "Very weird comparison"?
    Same conference, both were DPOY, both did it getting after the QB (a position where you typically are considered pretty fast for your size), both clock below mediocre times in the 40, both similar stature (i.e. not long).

    How is that a weird comparison?
    Jones played in a 3-4 defense. Sam played primarily with his hand on the ground.

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