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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Oh my most on this board went rookies to play right away and you get a defense like 2013. Then you get posts like this when rookies can't hang. Does that mean they can not. No they all could end up great players. Also how was Seattle's D in 2010 and 2011 when a bunch of these players were rookies? Also there looks to be a lot of 3rd rd and after players on that defense. The Steelers do not "need" high picks in the secondary. They just need some good young HUNGRY players back there. They need HUNGRY players all over the team. The guys with a chip on there shoulder and the want to be great. Not the Woodleys of the NFL. But Woodley did help us win a super bowl. Need a HUNGRY team with talent to win it all. There have been some very good teams not make it or lose in the super bowl because not enough HUNGER or lacked some talent. We all will see how hungry the 2014 Steelers are come this preseason after 2 8-8 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    We need to go D in the first round. Front 7 please.... we need pressure, pressure and more pressure.

    This SB showed me that a dominant D is still the best way to win a SB.

    You can't win a shootout when the other teams D has tanks with canons attached to them. Did you guys see how they hit? How they wrapped up? How they gang tackled and sent a message on every single play?
    My SuperBowl formula is QB + D = championships. And I'd even take it a step further and say the D is a function of how good your front 7 is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY View Post


    Your list netted 4 starts out of 128 possible games in their rookie years. I think that was his point. The Steelers need an influx of talent & youth in '14 and that's allot to rely on the draft for. Even in year 2 of your list there was 65 starts out of 128. Given "history"...The Steelers are in a pressing situation.
    I know that those guys did not contribute as rookies. But they each contributed to the defense for years. If you want to rebuild this defense, it's not going to be a one year solution. I think the Steelers should start investing in the process, and I'm not going to complain if a rookie isn't an instant all pro.

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    There will be some growing pains with rookies & 1st year starters. Not everyone they have to plug in will be a 1st rounder & we saw last year you get those pains with a 1st rounder. The problem here is the Steelers were too good for too long on defense. They chose not to address some of those positions. They missed on a few & also let some get away. They over estimated the shelf life of some of the vets & the decline hit hard & fast.


    If they want to close the gap...They will have to dip into FA & also HOPE they hit in the draft. There is no getting around playing a rookie or two and a 1st year starter on defense in 2014 if they don't dip into FA. Coming off back to back 8-8 seasons...I really don't think ANYONE in that organization can be comfortable with leaving questions unanswered in hoping a rookie can assume a starting role going into camp. I think you have to sign an mid to upper level FA at FS & sign a CB with starting experience. If Ike declines the same as '12-13 in 13'-14...He may not even be Nickel caliber CB. The Steelers can't be comfortable going into camp with Gay, C Brown, & a rookie to step up to the challenge IF that happens. I saw the same think in Clark & Taylor I saw in Harrison his last year here. They break down rapidly as the year goes on. Clark should receive NO offer & I would have no problem if the Steelers cut Ike & used his $$$ to get another starting CB.

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    The good news is that I hear we can expect some compensatory picks coming our way from Wallace and Lewis. I think I agree with most of what is being said, the bottom line being that we need to foster a depth situation like Seattle had this past couple years. I think in particular, we need to look at their model, as it relates to their secondary. They got a bunch (i.e. a "legion") of cover guys, just flying around the football field.

    Now granted: Earl Thomas' and Shermans don't grow on trees. (Chancellor is good, but he is a product of playing next to two All-Pros IMO.) But look at their secondary, in terms of draft round:
    Thomas, 1st
    Sherman, 5th
    Chancellor, 5th
    Thurmond III, 4th
    Maxwell, 6th

    They drafted Thomas highly because he was a can't-miss prospect. After that though, their plan was to just draft as many athletic MFers. Hence, they are now a legion of guys, to cover with. So I don't believe you need to waste a pick where we are picking (15), on someone who is "just" going to be one of those cover guys. To me, Clinton-Dix is not an Earl Thomas talent. (He seems more just like a Reggie Nelson or Antrel Rolle kind of guy... just a good player.) If Darqueze Dennard turns into (e.g.) Leon Hall (a good player), that just seems a waste. What we need to find here, is someone who can be more than "just" that (a good player).

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    I think the other point, is that this D needs an unexpected infusion of some kind. In SEA, Richard Sherman went from 5th rounder to DPOY material. For us, James Harrison went from camp body, to actual DPOY. When you get that level of unexpected over-output, you have something. We need someone on the current roster, to surprise us... if we wan to vault back into the mix right away. We need (e.g.): a guy like Sean Spence to come back and become a whirling dervish like he was at the U... we need maybe Cortez Allen to emerge... (I'm having a hard time thinking of others with that sort of potential, which says something about our depth) Maybe one of these D-lineman to emerge as a player. Otherwise as J-P-N says, we aren't going to flip the script in '14.

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    It's not just the players, it is how they are used. Seattle DBs attacked the WRs and did not sit back and "tackle the catch." The Front 4 (yes Front 4 not 3) had one task, attack the LOS and the QB. They didn't do this "occupy blockers BS. Even on other teams that run the 3-4 they don't occupy blockers...think JJ Watt occupies blockers?

    Our problem is we are using the players we have wrong whether so many want to recognize that or not.
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    2014 Draft

    1. Eric Ebron, TE
    2. Calvin Pryor, S
    3 (Comp). Jaylen Watkins, CB
    4. Justin Ellis, DT/NT
    5a. Brandon Coleman, WR
    5b. Brent Urban, DE
    6. Prince Shembo, OLB
    7a. Aaron Colvin, CB
    7b. Storm Johnson, RB

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    For fun, let me turn this argument on its head.

    Suppose Manning had an OL that could have given him 3 secs? Would the game have turned out differently? At the least, it would have been more of a game.

    Suppose the Steelers draft OL instead of D? A "shutdown" OL?.... Remember the days of the power run game? When teams KNEW the Steelers were going to pound it and STILL could not stop it! That is the case of an offense dictating what the defense does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    It's not just the players, it is how they are used. Seattle DBs attacked the WRs and did not sit back and "tackle the catch." The Front 4 (yes Front 4 not 3) had one task, attack the LOS and the QB. They didn't do this "occupy blockers BS. Even on other teams that run the 3-4 they don't occupy blockers...think JJ Watt occupies blockers?

    Our problem is we are using the players we have wrong whether so many want to recognize that or not.

    Umm... not really. Manning completed nearly 70% of his passes.... I would call that tackling the catch. The dif is that SEA DID tackle after the catch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Umm... not really. Manning completed nearly 70% of his passes.... I would call that tackling the catch. The dif is that SEA DID tackle after the catch.
    Right, I'd be interested to see what Denver's YAC was. It couldn't have been much.

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