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    Steelers’ linebackers Woodley, Timmons heading in opposite directions

    Good summary of the two players. Really puts an exclamation point on how much Woodley has hurt this team missing 1,000 snaps in three years.

    Steelers’ linebackers Woodley, Timmons heading in opposite directions

    By Mark Kaboly

    Published: Saturday, Jan. 25, 2014, 11:21 p.m.
    Updated 11 hours ago

    LaMarr Woodley set his alarm clock for 6 a.m. so he could be the first to announce his newly signed $61.5 million contract via social media.
    “That was the whole thing — breaking the story first,” Woodley said on Aug. 3, 2011.
    Three weeks later, Lawrence Timmons signed a $50 million deal and told absolutely nobody because “they said they wanted to keep it on the down low.”

    Not only was it a glimpse into the personalities of Steelers coach Mike Tomlin's first two draft picks, it was an indication of how different their career paths would be. Since signing their deals 18 days apart, Timmons has played in 99 percent of the Steelers' snaps, including 1,688 consecutive, and Woodley has missed 14 games and parts of six others while taking part in only 56 percent of the plays.
    “He's had to battle some injuries, unfortunately for him and for us,” Tomlin said after Woodley was placed on injured reserve with a hamstring injury in December.

    Fair or not, Timmons and Woodley always will be compared because they were the Steelers' top two picks in 2007 at the same position. So far, Timmons is winning.

    Since their nearly simultaneous contract extensions, Timmons' play has justified his lucrative payday, and Woodley's hasn't.
    Timmons accumulated 325 tackles, 11 sacks, 42 quarterback pressures while missing 34 snaps in three seasons. Woodley, who had 35 sacks his first three years, collected 113 tackles, 18 sacks, 40 pressures while missing a possible 1,000 snaps.
    Three years of nagging injuries that have led to a lack of production, along with a hefty price tag left on his contract, could make the 29-year old Woodley a salary cap casualty in March.

    The Steelers could save $25 million in salary over the final three years if they release Woodley. “If it comes down to giving the money to Woodley or (Jason) Worilds, I'd give it to Worilds,” said Matt Williamson, an NFL scout for and former Cleveland Browns college and pro scout.

    The polarizing Woodley has accomplished more off the field recently. He has been featured on MTV's Guy Code and Hip-Hop Squares and had his likeness made into a cartoon alongside Peyton Manning in an episode of South Park. “He is easy to dislike, and people think he is overweight and he is hurt all of the time,” Williamson said. “But what I thought when he was out there this year, he was much better than he was a year ago and especially as a pass rusher.”

    While Woodley's future uncertain, Timmons has become the heartbeat of the Steelers' defense. Timmons led the team with 126 tackles despite a role change early in the season; he also had to call the defensive plays when Larry Foote was lost for the year. “I think I did OK,” Timmons said. “I need to make more splash plays. I don't think I made enough splash plays as I did last year. It was an OK year for me.”

    Timmons also had two interceptions, three sacks, a forced fumble and a career-high 20-tackle game against the Ravens in which he played the final quarter with a broken hand unbeknownst to his teammates.

    “I asked him why he didn't say anything during the game and he said he didn't want to come out of the game and for his teammates to be mad at him,” cornerback Ike Taylor said. “He's an old-school caveman.”

    Timmons ranked fourth in stops in the league — the cumulative number of tackles that result in an offensive failure, tracked by ProFootballFocus — to go along with being one of the better cover linebackers in the NFL.

    “I think he is underrated nationally,” Williamson said.

    Timmons hasn't made a Pro Bowl despite being one of the top second-level or hybrid linebackers in the NFL. “I think you could put Lawrence Timmons in anybody's lineup, and he's going to stand out and play good football,” defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said. “In my honest opinion, maybe it's somewhat biased, I think he's played at an All-Pro level for several years. I don't know what more you want the guy to do.”


    Bang for your buck
    Since Woodley and Timmons signed extensions in 2011
    Woodley 39 tackles, 9 sacks, 560 snaps
    Timmons 93 tackles, 2 sacks, 1,082 snaps
    Woodley 38 tackles, 4 sacks, 641 snaps
    Timmons 106 tackles, 6 sacks, 1,015 snaps
    Woodley 36 tackles, 5 sacks, 582 snaps
    Timmons 126 tackles, 3 sacks, 1,093 snaps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Good summary of the two players. Really puts an exclamation point on how much Woodley has hurt this team missing 1,000 snaps in three years.
    His reasoning for not wanting to come out of the game underscores why these two are heading in different directions.
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    Kind of funny when you remember back to the year they were drafted. Even after about a year, Woodley was the steal, Timmons was a bust. To make us feel better, people would say that we should think of Wood as a first rounder, and Timmons as the second.

    Timmons should have been an easy PB pick in 2012. He has become the top player on this D. Woodley...not so much. We'd all love to see what he can do again if he is ever injury free and hungry, unfortunately, all we ever see him as is hungry - and not in the good way. Love to see this guy back to his original form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thor75 View Post
    His reasoning for not wanting to come out of the game underscores why these two are heading in different directions.
    I already had a lot of respect for Timmons but after reading that and the fact he has played in what, 1700 straight snaps!? Amazing... The man is a huge part of our D and I love watching him play.

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    I was wondering about age comparisons, looked these up:

    Woodley is 29. (11/3/84).

    Timmons is 27 (5/14/86).
    Worilds is 25. (3/3/88 ).
    J Jones is 24. (10/13/89).

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    Much as I hate paying that fat POS, I think we have to ride out Woodley, and hope he has an inkling left of professional pride. Because despite mailing it in for three years, he still produces (at least as well as Mr. Future, Jason Worilds). We have to gamble that he steps up and produces, instead of adding more risk to a risky situation (i.e. tying ourselves to another injury prone guy).

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    We eat Woodleys singing bonus regardless. I think he has an $8mil salary for this season which we would save if we cut him. The question is, do we want to pay him that salary for this season? If it costs us the same salary to keep Worilds OR Woodley this year, keep the younger guy with his arrow pointed up.
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    I guess I'm just a Negative Nancy

    Can you imagine the world of suckiness we will be in, if we sign Worilds (and cut Woodley) and turns out that he is the player he was in 2010, 2011, and 2012? We will then have his bad contract, compounded by Woodley's bad contract.

    To me, the more practical thing to do is to, ride out Woodley and hope he has some semblance of pride left... and draft his soon-to-be replacement (e.g. Trent Murphy). I feel much safer with that arrangement.

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    Would love to get Trent Murphy, but he could be late 1st or early 2nd Round. depends on how he tests at Combine and demonstrates athleticism. All I know in watching him is that the kid can play.

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    Isn't Woodley hurt like every other week?


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