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Thread: Worilds: What I don't understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    The error on the evaluation of Worilds was perhaps making those evaluations with the guy playing the wrong position. That to me is more damning on the coaches than anything else.

    Whether to offer Worilds a big contract is a tough decision. Glad I am not a coach or GM. But one thing I promise,..... if it is the wrong decision, I will be complaining.
    What would the metric be that qualifies it is a "wrong decision?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    What would the metric be that qualifies it is a "wrong decision?"

    Good question. ...goes to team X and he has a better season than Woodley.

    stays with the Steelers and promptly gets placed on IR for the season...

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    Are there many 3-4 teams that need a OLB with the cap room to offer Worilds Kruger money? Also I think that not drafting good since the 07 draft for OLB except for Worilds is a problem. No OLB on the roster to push out a hurt/old JH or a sloppy fat lazy hurt Woodley. Worilds could not do it till this year as I see it. Heck if JH would have taken a pay cut Worids might not have had his chance. Also the Steelers wanted to keep JH it seems to me. So Worilds was not seen as his replacement at that point. I see why OLB was picked so often by the Steelers in the past now. Are there any FA OLB/DE worth back up money? Maybe the right guy given a shot is the answer here. Or a high draft pick again. Are the Steelers gun shy on guys like Worilds and Lewis with the cap situation and bad drafts happening I wonder? Not many players for the Steelers do not live up to there pay like Woodley that I remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Are there many 3-4 teams that need a OLB with the cap room to offer Worilds Kruger money? .
    I don't know about the cap money situation, but after a cursory glance thru the other teams' rosters, there does not appear like there are gaping holes in the rosters for most at this position. You know the Cards will try to pilfer Woirlds if Okafor isn't seen as the savior. I could be missing one but the market may be in the favor of the Steelers on this one.
    1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
    2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
    3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
    4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
    5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
    5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
    6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
    6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
    7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska

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    I, for one, have always liked Worilds. I always thought he had a lot of potential from the time he was drafted. If the face of posters saying they should have drafted Sean Lee, in the face of people who claimed Chris Carter was better (that one truly baffled me) and in the face of those who thought Worilds would become only an afterthought when Jarvis Jones was selected, I really felt Worilds had a good chance to become a good player, and maybe more.

    So now when it seems as though his potential may be realized, I would be disappointed if he did not sign with the Steelers. Rooney did mention Worilds first when asked about what free agents the Steelers would like to keep so that encouraged me. I don't think the coaches were wrong about Worilds. LeBeau would speak highly of him and the fans would tend to dismiss those words. Even though, he would get more sacks per snap than other players, other fans would discredit those sacks as not meaningful because he didn't get them in a prescribed way that satisfied them. I always find that practice troubling. If you get a sack in a real game, the player should get credit for the sack period and not have someone try to find a way to show it was meaningless. If you are going to do that to Worilds then go through every players sacks in the league and do that to them also.

    I always saw a physically talented player who took a period of time to be comfortable as a converted DE and had to play through a wrist injury. That weakened his ability to grab and hand fight. I think he would have come on quicker without that. The Steelers had two pro-bowl level OLBs in front of him, Woodley and Harrison. He also had to improve his strength. I don't think many people appreciate that it can take three years for a player to begin to touch his potential. To me Worilds is probably the best talent they have on defense. Cam Heyward is talented but I think of him as mentally tough more so.

    You always take a chance when you sign players because of the nature of football, where an injury can end a season or a career abruptly. But they absolutely should retain Worilds. They need him and they need to get more to go along with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerphile View Post
    I, for one, have always liked Worilds. I always thought he had a lot of potential from the time he was drafted. If the face of posters saying they should have drafted Sean Lee, in the face of people who claimed Chris Carter was better (that one truly baffled me) and in the face of those who thought Worilds would become only an afterthought when Jarvis Jones was selected, I really felt Worilds had a good chance to become a good player, and maybe more.

    So now when it seems as though his potential may be realized, I would be disappointed if he did not sign with the Steelers. Rooney did mention Worilds first when asked about what free agents the Steelers would like to keep so that encouraged me. I don't think the coaches were wrong about Worilds. LeBeau would speak highly of him and the fans would tend to dismiss those words. Even though, he would get more sacks per snap than other players, other fans would discredit those sacks as not meaningful because he didn't get them in a prescribed way that satisfied them. I always find that practice troubling. If you get a sack in a real game, the player should get credit for the sack period and not have someone try to find a way to show it was meaningless. If you are going to do that to Worilds then go through every players sacks in the league and do that to them also.

    I always saw a physically talented player who took a period of time to be comfortable as a converted DE and had to play through a wrist injury. That weakened his ability to grab and hand fight. I think he would have come on quicker without that. The Steelers had two pro-bowl level OLBs in front of him, Woodley and Harrison. He also had to improve his strength. I don't think many people appreciate that it can take three years for a player to begin to touch his potential. To me Worilds is probably the best talent they have on defense. Cam Heyward is talented but I think of him as mentally tough more so.

    You always take a chance when you sign players because of the nature of football, where an injury can end a season or a career abruptly. But they absolutely should retain Worilds. They need him and they need to get more to go along with him.
    I agree with you on all points. I never understood the Worilds "haters" being so down on him. When he got chances to play he produced plus we don't really have much else at OLB except for him. Jarvis Jones which many have annointed as the "savior" IMO has shown nothing and I think Worilds is more certainty that he can perform than Jones.

    Tough situation since I think you really have to write off Woodley. That is why I really don't understand the obsession with draft Nix at Nose Tackle. We are really hurting at Linebacker which is the most importnat position in the 3-4 and the one that has to produce the game changing plays. If we go defense at #15, I'd much rather see another OLB or ILB than a two-down Nose Tackle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Reading recent threads and getting a general feel for public opinion about Worilds has left me scratching my head. So, I thought I would start a thread to discuss it.

    Worilds has been often injured, and got usurped by a rookie. He has a really great half of a season...the only good play I have seen from the guy...during a contract year mind you. So, why is it that many of us want to sign him to a fat contract in the offseason? He has had years to prove his worth and chooses to turn it on with 8 games left in his contract? That's when he is healthy and effective?

    How is that any better than Woodley? The Steelers are already on the hook for Woodleys contract. Why would we want to make the same mistake twice?

    Discuss.
    It's simple. We shouldn't. At least the Woodley pick was an honest mistake in the sense that he,.. though a bit on the heavier side,.... was an attempt to select a collegiate tweener/professional 3-4 outside backer to offset the selection of the colts/Tampa 2 type pursuit backer reach selection of Timmons.

    Worilds was the same type of pick as Timmons,...just later. They never have nor ever will fit a 3-4. And this is compounded by the fact that they were not elite at all at the college level.

    And therefore both 'reaches' as the products of a coaches ego and will to look like a maverick and or genius with the asinine selections of both,....in mere hope that they would be exceptionally successful or productive in spite of all facts and or logic to the contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    We have two first rounders, and two second rounders as our backers. Two of those picks in recent years.
    Allow me to bottom line it with just a few names then Shawn,....Timmons, Worilds, Spence, Sylvester. (and others no longer on the roster)

    All ego driven flyer picks.


    As well as selecting an average collegiate 4-3 dt to play nose or end in a 3-4 in the first as a matter of stubborness and ego instead of addressing ILB position when it was a fact that Potsie could not play forever. smh lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Polamalu View Post
    Allow me to bottom line it with just a few names then Shawn,....Timmons, Worilds, Spence, Sylvester. (and others no longer on the roster)

    All ego driven flyer picks.


    As well as selecting an average collegiate 4-3 dt to play nose or end in a 3-4 in the first as a matter of stubborness and ego instead of addressing ILB position when it was a fact that Potsie could not play forever. smh lol
    Your forum handle brings nothing but shame to those great names. You act like the Timmons pick was not a good pick or about were he should go in the draft. Worilds not sure were he was projected to go? Ego picks SMH. Bull Crap. Look back at "bad" picks that did not work out under Cowher or Noll. Also do you really think that MT has the power to draft over the scouting reports or Colbert. This is not the Raiders and Al Davis. LOL. Also very bad form to bring Spence's name into this when he has not had a chance to even play! Yes there have been some bad drafts with players not living up to there pick. It happens. Move on and try again. beating a dead horse on a forum has no bearing on what the Steelers will do now or in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Laser View Post
    Are there many 3-4 teams that need a OLB with the cap room to offer Worilds Kruger money? Also I think that not drafting good since the 07 draft for OLB except for Worilds is a problem. No OLB on the roster to push out a hurt/old JH or a sloppy fat lazy hurt Woodley. Worilds could not do it till this year as I see it. Heck if JH would have taken a pay cut Worids might not have had his chance. Also the Steelers wanted to keep JH it seems to me. So Worilds was not seen as his replacement at that point. I see why OLB was picked so often by the Steelers in the past now. Are there any FA OLB/DE worth back up money? Maybe the right guy given a shot is the answer here. Or a high draft pick again. Are the Steelers gun shy on guys like Worilds and Lewis with the cap situation and bad drafts happening I wonder? Not many players for the Steelers do not live up to there pay like Woodley that I remember.

    The obvious one? The Browns have the second most cap space in the NFL. I think they would gladly relieve the Steelers of Worilds services.
    Imagine dealing with Kruger on one side and Worilds on the other.?

    Worilds lacks the bulk to be a full-time defensive end in the pros but could be -- much like Daryl Tapp with the Seahawks -- a serviceable pass-rush specialist. If he can prove his trademark hustle and the agility he's flashed in pursuit for the Hokies translates well in linebacker drills, he might be a candidate to convert to the rush linebacker position in the 3-4 defense

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