Is LeBeau system really that complicated or

[NJ-STEELER]

It's kinda funny what you say about "No other team has this problem, to this extent". I just happened to be browsing a Packer forum the other day and saw a thread about Dom Capers. In it they were discussing what a couple of Packer players had said on a local radio show. Here is part of the post which I hope everybody will find as amusing as I did ...





Sound familiar? This is the same system that Steeler fans on this board were praising back in 2010 wondering why we couldn't implement it. Why our system was so complicated ... why our young players didn't see the field? The same b!tching and moaning as our fans but nothing that a few talented players wouldn't cure.

C'mon, you have to at least chuckle about it.

another 3-4 ZB scheme. probably not a coincidence

clay matthews did great in his rookie year though

[NorthCoast]

All I know is I am sick as s---t of having to hear how complex it is, and how long it takes players to grasp it. No other team has this problem, to this extent. Now that we were merely middle of the pack on D, it's time to re-evaluate his "system" or maybe weather he should retire at this point.

This year, we were even soft vs. the rush. That is never supposed to happen.

And you know this about other teams exactly how?? based on what information??

Riddle this; which teams were best at making the opponent QB look bad?

Seattle?
San Fran?
New Eng?
Carolina?

[Steelhere10]

All I know is that Rooney himself said that they need to find a way to get younger players on the field and he's definitely is not talking about the offense. Young players on offense crack the lineup even when they change OC along with the playbook.

[NorthCoast]

A rookie started 11 games at ILB.
A rookie started 8 games at OLB.
A rookie started 2 games at safety.

LeBeau can't win with some fans, so I am glad he doesn't have to heed them. If he starts a rookie and the rookie plays poorly, it's the 'system' being too complex. If the rookie sits because he needs to learn, DL is ripped because he is not playing them.

[feltdizz]

A rookie started 11 games at ILB.
A rookie started 8 games at OLB.
A rookie started 2 games at safety.

LeBeau can't win with some fans, so I am glad he doesn't have to heed them. If he starts a rookie and the rookie plays poorly, it's the 'system' being too complex. If the rookie sits because he needs to learn, DL is ripped because he is not playing them.

If a rookie starts and plays well... oh wait, that doesnt happen.

[Captain Lemming]

If a rookie starts and plays well... oh wait, that doesnt happen.

Dizz you guys claim that "the problem" is that he doesnt play rookies.....
The premise of this thread is that the defense IS NOT TOO COMPLICATED he just favors veterans.
HE DID WHAT YOU GUYS SCREAM FOR THIS YEAR IN A BIG WAY.
The result was the WORST DEFENSE AS STEELER DC.

Again blame the guy buying the groceries.

We draft a slow weak linebacker in the first round. How can DL "coach" him to success when the kid says himself THAT HE MUST GET STRONGER in the offseason. The kid has skill but is simply not physically strong enough to come close to replacing a fraction of what AGING Harrison was last year.
DL is forced to start A SIXTH ROUND ROOKIE linebacker. Is he supposed to coach him into a star rookie with a magic wand?
Thomas has great measurable but EVERY TEAM THAT NEEDED A SAFETY BADLY PASSED ON HIM including his college coach who drafted another safety.

Playing rookies just to do it aint a solution.
This year is proof.

[NJ-STEELER]

A rookie started 11 games at ILB.
A rookie started 8 games at OLB.
A rookie started 2 games at safety.

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1. because there was an injury to a starter. do you really belive DL replaces his signal caller if a rookie looks better then a Vet?
2. he was the 15th pick in the draft. a guy "we couldnt believe was there" when our pick in the draft came up
why all the excitement for such a below average performance

[tiproast]

1. because there was an injury to a starter. do you really belive DL replaces his signal caller if a rookie looks better then a Vet?
2. he was the 15th pick in the draft. a guy "we couldnt believe was there" when our pick in the draft came up
why all the excitement for such a below average performance

Linebacker in the NFL is a tough position to learn for many first year players. Sure, there are the Kuechley's that come along every now and then, but it often takes a year or two of learning what's going on out there and to recognize and react quickly enough to be able to make plays.

Jamie Collins on the Pats looked like a beast against the Colts, but it took most of the entire 2013 season to become a contributor. Lots of Pats fans were wondering whether Belichick had missed on a 2nd round pick again.

I recommend a little more patience with Jones - the light bulb might never go on, but then again he might only be a game or two away from having everything start to click for him.

[feltdizz]

Dizz you guys claim that "the problem" is that he doesnt play rookies.....
The premise of this thread is that the defense IS NOT TOO COMPLICATED he just favors veterans.
HE DID WHAT YOU GUYS SCREAM FOR THIS YEAR IN A BIG WAY.
The result was the WORST DEFENSE AS STEELER DC.

Again blame the guy buying the groceries.

We draft a slow weak linebacker in the first round. How can DL "coach" him to success when the kid says himself THAT HE MUST GET STRONGER in the offseason. The kid has skill but is simply not physically strong enough to come close to replacing a fraction of what AGING Harrison was last year.
DL is forced to start A SIXTH ROUND ROOKIE linebacker. Is he supposed to coach him into a star rookie with a magic wand?
Thomas has great measurable but EVERY TEAM THAT NEEDED A SAFETY BADLY PASSED ON HIM including his college coach who drafted another safety.

Playing rookies just to do it aint a solution.
This year is proof.

No... the argument was always to play rookies EARLIER when our backs weren't against the wall so we wouldn't be in this position.

We didn't want DL to play rookies "just to do it".....

We wanted him to play more rookies and second year guys because we knew this day was coming where we would have a high turnover due to age/cap/injury and we didn't want a bunch of rookies to step into a D that many believe IS too complex for them to step in and perform at a decent level.

[squidkid]

Dizz you guys claim that "the problem" is that he doesnt play rookies.....
The premise of this thread is that the defense IS NOT TOO COMPLICATED he just favors veterans.
HE DID WHAT YOU GUYS SCREAM FOR THIS YEAR IN A BIG WAY.
The result was the WORST DEFENSE AS STEELER DC.

Again blame the guy buying the groceries.

We draft a slow weak linebacker in the first round. How can DL "coach" him to success when the kid says himself THAT HE MUST GET STRONGER in the offseason. The kid has skill but is simply not physically strong enough to come close to replacing a fraction of what AGING Harrison was last year.
DL is forced to start A SIXTH ROUND ROOKIE linebacker. Is he supposed to coach him into a star rookie with a magic wand?
Thomas has great measurable but EVERY TEAM THAT NEEDED A SAFETY BADLY PASSED ON HIM including his college coach who drafted another safety.

Playing rookies just to do it aint a solution.
This year is proof.

tomlin needs to stay out of the war room on draft day