All I know is I am sick as s---t of having to hear how complex it is, and how long it takes players to grasp it. No other team has this problem, to this extent. Now that we were merely middle of the pack on D, it's time to re-evaluate his "system" or maybe weather he should retire at this point.
This year, we were even soft vs. the rush. That is never supposed to happen.
Last edited by feltdizz; 01-13-2014 at 04:28 PM.
I think that the reasoning of the D being too complex has been overblown. I think the main reason why rookies have rarely seen the field in the last ten or so years is because there hasn't been anywhere to put them.
Think about the D we have fielded up until about two years ago...
DL - Smith, Hampton, Keisel
LB - Woodley, Farrior, Foote, Harrison
DB - Ike, Gay/McFadden, Troy, Clark
Who was going to crack the lineup as a rook, and where? CB opposite Troy? ILB over Foote? There have been many fewer openings on this D than on most other teams. That is why other teams have had to allow their rooks to play their rookie years, and we see them make big plays and wonder why they can play and make big plays but our rooks do not. What we don't see as often is the boneheaded, out of position, rookie mistakes that they have made. They don't make the highlight reels.
Of course, with much less returning talent every year, we now see guys like Jones and Williams playing their first year. Expect to see more of that.
tomlins playoff record with mostly cowhers players 5-2 (first 4 years)
with mostly his own 3-4 (last 6 years)
averaging 1 1/4 win per year and a 1/2 a loss per year with cowhers guys
averaging 1/2 win per year and 3/4 losses per year with his own
It's no wonder Bell gets the fans excited.
"He has the same effect on his teammates," defensive coordinator Tim Lewis said. "You should hear them whoopin' and hollerin' every time he makes a play."
You should hear Lewis when he's in the privacy of a dark film room, reviewing tape of the previous game. Invariably, Bell jumps off the screen.
"He'll do something, and I'll say, 'My gawd, I don't think I've ever seen that before,' " Lewis said. "He's just so athletic, so powerful, so explosive."
It's not hard to imagine Lewis doing a little whoopin' and hollerin' of his own.
So that settles it. Tim Lewis was the DC when Bell started and if you research further you will see that we let Vrabel go and didn't have anyone for Bell to compete against his rookie season. LOL..
All this time people have used Bell as proof on what a rookie can do under Lebeau and DL wasn't even here when it happened. Freaking amazing and sad at the same time. Oh well... at least we have Casey Hamp... hold onnnnn!!!!
Casey was drafted in...gulp, 2001. Oh boy.... this is interesting news.
In LeBeau’s 12 seasons as the Steelers’ defensive coordinator (1995-96, 2004-12)
NJ was right about this... but I think it's good to keep it up just in case someone tries to use the Bell and Hampton argument for DL.
Last edited by feltdizz; 01-13-2014 at 04:29 PM.
Worilds name has popped up in this thread. So let me be the first to say he is just a average OLB. Is that what we want? Yes it was nice he had a spark this season. I also like his tackle numbers. But did he do any big splash plays beyond a few sacks. Woodley was maybe still can be a play maker. But he also might be done here and in the NFL as a top OLB. Our OLB's in the SB years have made big plays for us! I think it was Pap in a thread that the #1 need is OLB. That could very well be true the more I look at this. Wonder if it is worth trading up for Barr? Hard to figure 2 #1 picks at OLB. But with out getting extremely lucky on a project like JH it might be the only way to have a great Steelers D. Plus IF JJ is a bust or ends up average then the D is in BIG trouble with the rest of the OLB situation. Also Barr could end up starting day 1 because Worilds has moved on and Woodley gets cut. Now I see why for a lot of years a DE convert/OLB was picked in a bunch of drafts!
It always takes until the first contract expires to determine whether a draft has helped a team or not.
1.30) Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (McKinley or Williams)
2.62) Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida (Obi Melifonwu, S)
3.94) Noah Brown, WR, OSU
The referee said that you hit Brian Sipe too hard. Did you hit him too hard?
I hit him as hard as I could - Jack Lambert
Sound familiar? This is the same system that Steeler fans on this board were praising back in 2010 wondering why we couldn't implement it. Why our system was so complicated ... why our young players didn't see the field? The same b!tching and moaning as our fans but nothing that a few talented players wouldn't cure.I was listening and caught all of that......along with the praise by the d-line coach for Raji which about choked after hearing. The 2 points that stood out to me.
1. Tramon saying the young players dont get the scheme and it took him years to master
2. The largest playbook in the league.
This is not regarded as the best defense in the league to my knowledge so why does it require the largest playbook and why can't half these guys figure it out? San Fran/Baltimore/Seattle....all pretty good defenses. Why does this playbook need to be harder and bigger than theirs?
C'mon, you have to at least chuckle about it.