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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    much easier to find an NT in the later rounds that can get the job done then a corner.

    there's a reason CBs out number the nose tackles at the top of the draft every year

    And exactly how has that worked out for the teams that have selected CB's in the top 20 within the last ten years in the grand scheme of things NJ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rod Polamalu View Post
    And exactly how has that worked out for the teams that have selected CB's in the top 20 within the last ten years in the grand scheme of things NJ ?
    I am not sure of your point here. The top 20 teams is 2/3 of the league. 11 CBs have been drafted in top 20 in the past five years. I believe an all pro can be found at any position at any point in the draft.

    They really cannot be compared because all teams have two corners and not all teams have a true NT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    much easier to find an NT in the later rounds that can get the job done then a corner.

    there's a reason CBs out number the nose tackles at the top of the draft every year
    Wow... most teams run a 4-3. Makes sense that an NT doesnt go as often since a team can get one and keep him for 10 years. Thus, theycan spend the next 10 years drafting CB's since you need 4 to 5 on your roster.

    This is why you take a NT if there is one available who can plug the middle for a long time.

    It isnt easy to find a quality NT, if it was easy we would have one already.

    Funny how everyone brags about Lebeaus stats while we had Hampton but now its a position we can find in later rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thor75 View Post
    I am not sure of your point here. The top 20 teams is 2/3 of the league. 11 CBs have been drafted in top 20 in the past five years. I believe an all pro can be found at any position at any point in the draft.

    They really cannot be compared because all teams have two corners and not all teams have a true NT.
    Yeah.. but the chances of finding an all pro are much higher in earlier rounds.

    I'm not married to Nix but I'm married to the idea of drafting an NT in the first if he is considered a 1st round talent.

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    Kelvin Benjamin has a rare combination of size and athleticism. But, Mike Evans has that and TONS of production. I can't see Benjamin going before Evans (let alone that you have him going before Watkins as well). That just seems nuts to me.

    But, if it fell that way, I'd say thank you Buffalo and take Evans.
    I'd also look at Dennard and Ebron.
    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    Yeah.. but the chances of finding an all pro are much higher in earlier rounds.

    I'm not married to Nix but I'm married to the idea of drafting an NT in the first if he is considered a 1st round talent.
    I agree the NT is very critical to the 3-4 and would love if Nix was the second coming of Hampton or close to it. I have my reservations on him. Too bad he won't play in the Senior Bowl (I'm assuming with the knee injury). I would hate to pass on a playmaker for the offense or a DB stud when I'm not totally sold on the guy. Obviously the Steelers FO will be way better informed than me.

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    only poe and raji (who isnt even a true NT) would be guys drafted higher at the position if we took a NG at 15

    balt - cody - late 2nd
    SD -cam thomas - 5th
    colts - franklin - low level FA singing from SF. who ho was an original 5th rounder from baltimore
    texans - mitchell 3rd
    browns - taylor 21st overall... has he stood out in any game vs. us?
    jets - ellis 3rd
    buff - kyle williams. NT playing 4 man front 5th round
    49ers - dorsey. former bust as 4-3 DL with KC... lowlevel FA signing
    cards -williams late 1st and t'aamu
    saints - bunkly low level FA pick up (former philly 1st). jenkins 3rd
    skins - cofield - mid level FA singing.. drated by NYG in the 4th where he played DT
    eagles - sopoaga - LL FA singing from SF where he was origianlly a 4th rder

    other recent notables - jay ratliff 7th rder. kemo brother's was undrafted and played well for a long stretch

    the last couple of years here, casey was pretty washed up and coming off the field in passing situations. yet, we still had a top defensive unit without him being the player he was in his prime.
    I dont think we need a 15 overall pick to duplicate that production in theose years and still be a top defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER View Post
    only poe and raji (who isnt even a true NT) would be guys drafted higher at the position if we took a NG at 15

    balt - cody - late 2nd
    SD -cam thomas - 5th
    colts - franklin - low level FA singing from SF. who ho was an original 5th rounder from baltimore
    texans - mitchell 3rd
    browns - taylor 21st overall... has he stood out in any game vs. us?
    jets - ellis 3rd
    buff - kyle williams. NT playing 4 man front 5th round
    49ers - dorsey. former bust as 4-3 DL with KC... lowlevel FA signing
    cards -williams late 1st and t'aamu
    saints - bunkly low level FA pick up (former philly 1st). jenkins 3rd
    skins - cofield - mid level FA singing.. drated by NYG in the 4th where he played DT
    eagles - sopoaga - LL FA singing from SF where he was origianlly a 4th rder

    other recent notables - jay ratliff 7th rder. kemo brother's was undrafted and played well for a long stretch

    the last couple of years here, casey was pretty washed up and coming off the field in passing situations. yet, we still had a top defensive unit without him being the player he was in his prime.
    I dont think we need a 15 overall pick to duplicate that production in theose years and still be a top defense
    hmm... you've made a strong case that we should be able to develop a solid NT with the guys who are on the roster. I'm all for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie View Post
    hmm... you've made a strong case that we should be able to develop a solid NT with the guys who are on the roster. I'm all for that.
    You mean the guys who don't demand double teams, or the guys who can't even sniff the field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    A 3-4 without a legit NT is a waste of time.
    Chis Hoke who never made first team all conference in the defensive talent hotbed that is the MOUNTAIN WEST before becoming a undrafted Steeler was 17-1 as a starter.

    Example:
    Bens rookie season Casey out for the season game 6.
    Most games missed of Casey's career (10).
    Was all hope lost as our defense plunged into mediocrity? Nope.

    Hoke starts the remaining 10 games and not only do we win all 10, we end up with the number one defense in both points and yardage and a Steeler all time record for wins.

    We lost nothing when Casey was out when we had a stable of pro bowl linebackers.

    Put Potsie and Harrison in their prime on this team and we would be talking about how McClendon makes them look great.
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