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    I read that article. While it shows some similarities between the two schemes, it does not prove your assertion...it just shows that Saban's D is the part time version of LeBeau's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    I read that article. While it shows some similarities between the two schemes, it does not prove your assertion...it just shows that Saban's D is the part time version of LeBeau's...
    So Saban uses a 3-4 zone blitz and then adds corner leverage and pattern-match reads behind it and you say it is a part time version of LeBeau's? And the mystique continues. Hilarious.

    Who do you think faces more complex offenses each week? LeBeau or Saban? Saban sees the zone read (spread) option almost every week. Colleges are running and have been running far more of it than the NFL. Think about it.

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    This dude finally got it right towards the end of his article.. And I quote....."The best player at each position should and deserves to play, regardless of age or chumminess with the coaching staff."

    WTF. OK, this is what happens. Harrison and Woodley were simply better than Worilds, so Harrison and Woodley started.. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    BS!!! Why is it we see week after week veteran players who have been in this system for a long time make bone headed mistakes? Missed assignments? Blown coverages?

    I will give that it is a complex defense, however, it inst so complex that a young player can't come in and contribute. Even veteran's who supposedly have this D mastered make big mistakes weekly.

    This defense has always been about one man's philosophy more so than it being too complex. And that man just doesn't like to play young players unless he is forced too. A players skill set and athleticism sometimes can compensate for his lack of experience or knowledge of a certain defense. But not on this team.

    Again, this 3-4 zone blitz is not more complex than that of the one Nick Saban has been running in college for years. But that would take away from the mystique that is Mr. LeBeau.

    Seems you're the one who just posted elsewhere about getting better players before getting rid of coaches.... which is it?

    Beyond that, you do understand that over half the Steelers defense has 5 or less years of experience. Exactly how young do they need to get?

    Further, I for one am glad we have a DC that is able to stave off the tide of fans wanting every pick to play his first season. That's the kind of defense Tampa Bay or Oakland likes to put out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Dub View Post
    So Saban uses a 3-4 zone blitz and then adds corner leverage and pattern-match reads behind it and you say it is a part time version of LeBeau's? And the mystique continues. Hilarious.

    Who do you think faces more complex offenses each week? LeBeau or Saban? Saban sees the zone read (spread) option almost every week. Colleges are running and have been running far more of it than the NFL. Think about it.

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    http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2...ripliz-to.html
    Read it. Again, dude, conceptually it is similar...but, terminology and assignment wise, it can't be as complex...20 hours a week versus however many hours professionals put in...

    Cam Heyward played in a complex college defense similar to the Steelers...he took three years to shine...

    Jarvis Jones played in Saban's 3-4 and was demoted because he couldn't get his assignments correct...

    Can you please explain why? If the complexity is no different, then how? Please, tell me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Not sure where you guys are getting your info. Worilds was listed "doubtful" a total of 7 times in 63 opportunities. He was given early chances, but didn't impress. That's not something you can pin on the coaches.
    His biggest problem was beating out all-pro Harrison or Woodley, .. no easy task. Fortunately for Worilds, Woodley has turned into a oft-injured and generally unreliable player and now he can take advantage. The coaches are now giving him another chance.
    He came in to camp with a wrist injury last year, leading to him splitting time with Carter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    The real problem is this D takes time to master... everyone points out Keenan Lewis' temper tantrum. Thats one time... one game where he let his emotions get the best of him.

    This whole idea of giving a guy a 3% shot to make his mark is a terrible way to assess talent. How many times has a playwr o D came in and made an impact on day 1? Year 1? ... and how many times has a player turned into a beast or a solid contributor by year 3 or 4?

    A.Smith,.Keisel Harrison, Peezy, Troy, Ike... all these guys had time to develop, sit, learn, etc. The Casey Hamptons and Kendrick bells are the exception. Moving forward we know longer have that luxury of waiting for these kids to develop. I bet money JJ's third year will be a monster barring injury. However, in a lot of other defenses he would show out much earlier because they would givd him less assignments and turn him loose as a blitzer on every down.

    We are turning into a farm team on D like the old Pirates. Not sure how any of you can defend our philosophy in this new NFL. It worked for us before the new CBA but we cant continue down this road or Sylvester and Carter will continue to be our replacements anytime a guy goes down.
    How many rookies came in and lit up the league this year? Or any year? You get a few Aldon Smith type guys from time to time, but they are the exception. Many players on both sides of the ball take time to adjust to the NFL game - and that is around the league, not just with the Steelers.

    Realizing that the pro bowl selection system is somewhat flawed, there are no rookies on the team. None. There are guys like Cameron Jordan and Robert Quinn - third year guys (who did nothing as rookies).

    As for Keenan Lewis, he wasn't ready to play in 2011. The job was his to lose, and he lost it. The Steelers went 12-4 that year. When you are playing at that level, you don't sacrifice results to play immature kids who aren't ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slapstick View Post
    Jarvis Jones played in Saban's 3-4 and was demoted because he couldn't get his assignments correct...
    just curious, when did Jarvis Jones play in Saban's 3-4?

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