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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBuckeye View Post
    Another fair assessment ... and truthfully your thoughts mirror my own in some regards. What I will say is this; from coaches to players, this year's version of the Steelers comes off as kind of Schizophrenic/Bipolar ... you just don't know what your going to get from week to week. And if they had played/coached better earlier, this team would be in charge of the division
    I was surprised to hear from the talking heads in the detroit game that Tomlin has continued Cowher's tradition of rarely losing when up by 11. I believe the record they stated amounted to 40-2 or something like that...

    Can anyone verify?

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    Not to rain on anyone's parade, but you do realize that we're not even .500 yet, right?

    This team is playing better and I’ll give Tomlin & Co. credit for that. It definitely comes at a good time and they are playing crisp especially on offense.
    With that being said, I don’t have a short memory and I’m not going to praise this team because they won 3 straight games. 2 of the 3 wins came against teams with major QB questions and that is a big understatement. The Detroit win was a solid win. They have talent but are very inconsistent.

    My point is that We SHOULD be winning games against the Bills and the Browns. That is an expectation that I have and it shouldn't be some some major accomplishment as far as I'm concerned. Yes, we were losing to these type of teams dating back to the end of last year so I guess that is an improvement but my expectations are a bit higher for the Steelers.

    In regards to Haley.... He may be a douche or whatnot but I think his playcalling has been solid from the Chicago game and onward. He's had his moments but I think overall, he's done a good job. Even when our offense was struggling considerably, a lot of that was on Ben. He was playing very poorly so you can't put all that on the OC. Also, don't forget has this offense seemed to turnaround when Bell and Heath came back. That opened things up a bit and it's no coincidence.

    In my opinion, I think Haley and the Offensive Line coach have done the best job of our coaching staff.

    I would put Tomlin 3rd on the list and LeBeau 4th or worse.

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    What LeBeau has done with these crap players is very impressive. Look at the players he has lost the past year. Foote, Hampton, Harrison, and Lewis. That's 4 starters from last year. Then add in the draft picks that are hurt like Spence and Sly. Now McClendon, Woodley, Keisel, and Brown are gone. Thomas is hurt as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    What LeBeau has done with these crap players is very impressive. Look at the players he has lost the past year. Foote, Hampton, Harrison, and Lewis. That's 4 starters from last year. Then add in the draft picks that are hurt like Spence and Sly. Now McClendon, Woodley, Keisel, and Brown are gone. Thomas is hurt as well.
    This team is relatively healthy compared to other teams.

    Are you really using the loss of Brown, Sly and Spence as an excuse? Two are career backups and the other has never played a regular season down.

    Foote was old and nothing more than average. I don't consider Foote a huge loss.

    Harrison is seeing spot duty of the Bengals and is not the same player and neither was Hampton (hence him not playing). Don't forget that we had Worilds and a 1st round pick to replace Harrison.

    McClendon just got hurt this game so how is that an excuse for the season?

    Woodley and Keisel are obvious loses but they haven't been hurt the whole season. Additionally, Hood is another 1st round pick (although a disappointment) that can fill in for Keisel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    This team is relatively healthy compared to other teams.

    Are you really using the loss of Brown, Sly and Spence as an excuse? Two are career backups and the other has never played a regular season down.

    Foote was old and nothing more than average. I don't consider Foote a huge loss.

    Harrison is seeing spot duty of the Bengals and is not the same player and neither was Hampton (hence him not playing). Don't forget that we had Worilds and a 1st round pick to replace Harrison.

    McClendon just got hurt this game so how is that an excuse for the season?

    Woodley and Keisel are obvious loses but they haven't been hurt the whole season. Additionally, Hood is another 1st round pick (although a disappointment) that can fill in for Keisel.
    Is Woodley really a loss? Worilds is significantly outplaying him. If anything Woodley has been a roadblock to getting a better player on the field in Worilds.
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    Tomlin didn't and hasn't lost the team....the fans have lost the team over and over...marinate in that for a bit.
    ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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    Quote Originally Posted by costanza2k1 View Post
    Tomlin didn't and hasn't lost the team....the fans have lost the team over and over...marinate in that for a bit.



    CLEVELAND — The clock had just ticked to 0:00, which felt very much like a match for the temps on this crushingly cold Sunday by the lake. Or better yet, for how FirstEnergy Stadium's scoreboard spoke anew the cold truth about who's nemesis and who's victim in one of the NFL's most sadly lopsided duels.
    Steelers 27, Browns 11.
    No contest.
    No mas already.
    This was as solid a whupping as it was a special victory, one that pulled the winning side from the 0-4 depths of London to a 5-6 record that, incredibly, almost unimaginably, has them in the thick of the AFC playoff picture.
    And yet, if anyone among the visitors had sought so much as a split-second's satisfaction over it, that was squelched before they even left the field.
    “Let's go! Everybody move!” Mike Tomlin was shouting, almost angrily, while waving his players toward the Steelers' tunnel. “It's now Tuesday already. I don't have any time.”
    And if anyone thought Tomlin was simply going for symbolism, he kept it up in the locker room to great effect. Even Ben Roethlisberger, who takes an eternity to dress, suited up faster than Batman sliding down the Bat-pole.
    When Will Allen, who had just had a terrific game, was among the last ones lagging, Tomlin boomed at him: “No time, Will! Come on, let's go!”
    Within a half-hour, all 53 players had been whisked out, no doubt affording the coaches at least a small slice of their Sunday night to begin preparing for the Thanksgiving trip to Baltimore.
    No time, indeed.
    If anyone's searching for the best way to summarize all that's gone right for the Steelers these past couple of months, I'll try with two simple points:
    1. Tomlin never allowed the Steelers to pause long enough to sulk or to forget that they're still the Steelers.
    Sure, he's culpable for the terrible start. He entered the season too lax and, at times, looked ill-prepared. But give credit where due: He has never taken the foot off the gas. If anything, he has floored it. You know about taking away the silly table games in the locker room, but there's so much more. Practices and film sessions have been conducted with a vigor even veterans say they hadn't seen. Accountability has been raised. Moves have been made.
    And if you ask the athletes, it all feels like it has happened in a blur.
    “There's been so much work, so much attention to detail,” Ramon Foster was telling me after a superb showing against Cleveland's stout nose tackle Phil Taylor. “Our coaches have had a lot to do with that.”
    2. They are still the Steelers.
    Sure looked like it Sunday, anyway. Because no matter the low caliber of the Browns' play, the Steelers still beat a division opponent with a matching record on their field. No shame in that.
    More to the point, the Steelers did it the way they used to.
    Offensively they knew they had to run, despite facing the NFL's No. 5 defense, and Le'Veon Bell and the line pushed forward for 80 yards. At times he dragged defenders on his shoulders.
    The passing had to come through, too, and Roethlisberger found not only Antonio Brown but also Emmanuel Sanders and Heath Miller to keep the opponents' schemes honest.
    And the defense … wow, hard to know where to start when a group that couldn't find a loose football in a toy store suddenly became rabid ballhawks in forcing four. Troy Polamalu popped two balls loose. Willie Gay popped one loose and picked off another for a touchdown. Jason Worilds chased quarterbacks from here to Akron and back, building a compelling case that he should stay at left outside linebacker even when LaMarr Woodley is healthy. Cam Heyward continued to make the same case at defensive end.
    They even had Gay smacking Browns quarterback Jason Campbell in the mouth, for which he'll no doubt be sending a check to the league office.
    Dirty? Probably, but when is the last time that topic came up related to the Steelers?
    Used to be every week until, you know, they stopped scaring anyone.
    So I couldn't help but ask around that bustling locker room: Is the Steelers' brand of football coming back?
    The answers were telling.
    Roethlisberger: “Well, we ran the ball, especially down the stretch. That felt good. It was a good win, but we'll enjoy it for a second and turn around.”
    Worilds: “Definitely on the way back.”
    Polamalu: “I don't know. We'll see. Winning feels good, but we've got a tough, short week coming.”
    Right. Better move it.


    Read more:
    http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/5133541-74/steelers-anyone-tomlin#ixzz2lhKqu62G


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    Excuses, excuses... Tomlin and company turned the ship around. Respect to the whole staff and to the players for fighting through a rough patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAR View Post



    CLEVELAND — The clock had just ticked to 0:00, which felt very much like a match for the temps on this crushingly cold Sunday by the lake. Or better yet, for how FirstEnergy Stadium's scoreboard spoke anew the cold truth about who's nemesis and who's victim in one of the NFL's most sadly lopsided duels.
    Steelers 27, Browns 11.
    No contest.
    No mas already.
    This was as solid a whupping as it was a special victory, one that pulled the winning side from the 0-4 depths of London to a 5-6 record that, incredibly, almost unimaginably, has them in the thick of the AFC playoff picture.
    And yet, if anyone among the visitors had sought so much as a split-second's satisfaction over it, that was squelched before they even left the field.
    “Let's go! Everybody move!” Mike Tomlin was shouting, almost angrily, while waving his players toward the Steelers' tunnel. “It's now Tuesday already. I don't have any time.”
    And if anyone thought Tomlin was simply going for symbolism, he kept it up in the locker room to great effect. Even Ben Roethlisberger, who takes an eternity to dress, suited up faster than Batman sliding down the Bat-pole.
    When Will Allen, who had just had a terrific game, was among the last ones lagging, Tomlin boomed at him: “No time, Will! Come on, let's go!”
    Within a half-hour, all 53 players had been whisked out, no doubt affording the coaches at least a small slice of their Sunday night to begin preparing for the Thanksgiving trip to Baltimore.
    No time, indeed.
    If anyone's searching for the best way to summarize all that's gone right for the Steelers these past couple of months, I'll try with two simple points:
    1. Tomlin never allowed the Steelers to pause long enough to sulk or to forget that they're still the Steelers.
    Sure, he's culpable for the terrible start. He entered the season too lax and, at times, looked ill-prepared. But give credit where due: He has never taken the foot off the gas. If anything, he has floored it. You know about taking away the silly table games in the locker room, but there's so much more. Practices and film sessions have been conducted with a vigor even veterans say they hadn't seen. Accountability has been raised. Moves have been made.
    And if you ask the athletes, it all feels like it has happened in a blur.
    “There's been so much work, so much attention to detail,” Ramon Foster was telling me after a superb showing against Cleveland's stout nose tackle Phil Taylor. “Our coaches have had a lot to do with that.”
    2. They are still the Steelers.
    Sure looked like it Sunday, anyway. Because no matter the low caliber of the Browns' play, the Steelers still beat a division opponent with a matching record on their field. No shame in that.
    More to the point, the Steelers did it the way they used to.
    Offensively they knew they had to run, despite facing the NFL's No. 5 defense, and Le'Veon Bell and the line pushed forward for 80 yards. At times he dragged defenders on his shoulders.
    The passing had to come through, too, and Roethlisberger found not only Antonio Brown but also Emmanuel Sanders and Heath Miller to keep the opponents' schemes honest.
    And the defense … wow, hard to know where to start when a group that couldn't find a loose football in a toy store suddenly became rabid ballhawks in forcing four. Troy Polamalu popped two balls loose. Willie Gay popped one loose and picked off another for a touchdown. Jason Worilds chased quarterbacks from here to Akron and back, building a compelling case that he should stay at left outside linebacker even when LaMarr Woodley is healthy. Cam Heyward continued to make the same case at defensive end.
    They even had Gay smacking Browns quarterback Jason Campbell in the mouth, for which he'll no doubt be sending a check to the league office.
    Dirty? Probably, but when is the last time that topic came up related to the Steelers?
    Used to be every week until, you know, they stopped scaring anyone.
    So I couldn't help but ask around that bustling locker room: Is the Steelers' brand of football coming back?
    The answers were telling.
    Roethlisberger: “Well, we ran the ball, especially down the stretch. That felt good. It was a good win, but we'll enjoy it for a second and turn around.”
    Worilds: “Definitely on the way back.”
    Polamalu: “I don't know. We'll see. Winning feels good, but we've got a tough, short week coming.”
    Right. Better move it.


    Read more:
    http://triblive.com/sports/dejankovacevic/dejancolumns/5133541-74/steelers-anyone-tomlin#ixzz2lhKqu62G



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