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    Jerricho Cotchery vs. Mike Wallace

    Perhaps I should wait a couple of weeks until the Dolphins visit Heinz to make this comparison, but Cotchery's unexpected recent TD production has certainly caused many of us to stand up and take notice.

    Coming in to this season, I wondered aloud where the passing game TD production would come from, since Wallace was in Miami, Heath was starting out the year on the shelf, and Brown/Sanders/Cotchery, while solid between the 20's, weren't exactly dynamos in the red zone.

    Jerricho had no TD's all of last season, and now he has 5 TD's in the last 3 games; his 7 TD catches this season are more TD catches than any other in his career, even though he was a full time starter for the Jets for 4 seasons (including a couple of 82 catch seasons and a 1130 yard season back in Jersey) and has only started 2 games for us this season.

    This year, Jerricho Cotchery has 34 catches for 503 yards and 7 TD's through 10 games.

    This year, Mike Wallace has 44 catches for 534 yards and 1 TD through 10 games.

    Cotchery is in the final season of a 2 year, $3 million contract that a $1 million signing bonus, while Wallace is in the first season of a 5 year, $60 million contact with $30 guaranteed, and that has gotten the Dolphins 10 more catches for 31 more yards and SIX FEWER TOUCHDOWNS. So much for the big play scoring weapon. Cotchery is actually averaging more than two-and-a-half more yards per catch this season than Wallace (14.79 vs. 12.14).

    Many will explain this disparity away by saying that it is much different catching passes from Ben Roethlisberger as opposed to Ryan Tannehill. Good point, but let's look at what Cotchery has done in the 10 games this season with Ben, vs. what Wallace did in the first 10 games with Ben last season.

    This year, Jerricho Cotchery has 34 catches for 503 yards and 7 TD's through 10 games.

    Last year, Mike Wallace had 42 catches for 539 yards and 6 TD through 10 games.

    Comparing Wallace's first 10 games with Ben last year and his first 10 games with Tannehil this year, the catches and yards are nearly identical (only a 2 catch, 5 yard difference), but Wallace was certainly finding the end zone more with Ben throwing him the ball.

    Wallace's first 10 games last year compared to Cotchery's first 10 games this year show us that Mike had 8 more catches for 36 more yards and 1 fewer TD than Jerricho (and Jerricho only has started 2 of 10 games this year while Mike started all 10). Cotchery once again has the better yards per catch than big play Wallace, this time by nearly 2 yards per catch (14.79 vs. 12.83).

    Cotchery's going to be due a moderate pay raise (he isn't breaking the bank at age 31, though), but he seems to be outperforming the much more hyped Manny Sanders as well (who has 42 catches for 509 yards and 2 TD's with a 12.12 YPC avg in 6 of 10 starts). I could easily see us letting Sanders walk in the offseason while bringing back Cotchery on a reasonably short-term deal to go with Brown, Wheaton, Moye, and likely a rookie draft pick.

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    So what you're saying here is Cotchery is much, much faster than Wallace...

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    I think the QB plays a big role in the production but we all knew Wallace was one dimensional. I always thought Cotch was older but I think it's because he's always been a savvy possession type WR.

    Wallace is stealing money in Miami... he is nothing more than a high priced decoy.

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    Wallace's decreased numbers and Cotchery's increased numbers are all the direct result of the quarterback with whom each player is playing. Last year Cotchery was Ben's third or even fourth option and Wallace was his first. This year Cotchery is clearly the second option and while Wallace is still the first option in Miami his quarterback is not Ben Roethlisberger, it's a guy who will be a mediocre starter or very good backup quarterback until he retires and Brown and Cotchery are playing with a HOF quarterback. It's the reason for the drop in production for Wallace and the increase for Cotchery.

    Receivers don't make the quarterback, the quarterback makes the receiver, with a few rare exceptions, Calvin Johnson, possibly AJ Green and possibly Andre Johnson, that's about it folks, the rest of the WRs see inflated numbers because of the guy throwing the ball to them.

    Had Wallace gone to the Patriots, Saints, Broncos, etc or any team with a top 10 quarterback his numbers would be similar to what he had last year with Ben. At some point, Steeler fans will begin to realize just how darn good Ben really is regardless of his style of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Wallace's decreased numbers and Cotchery's increased numbers are all the direct result of the quarterback with whom each player is playing. Last year Cotchery was Ben's third or even fourth option and Wallace was his first. This year Cotchery is clearly the second option and while Wallace is still the first option in Miami his quarterback is not Ben Roethlisberger, it's a guy who will be a mediocre starter or very good backup quarterback until he retires and Brown and Cotchery are playing with a HOF quarterback. It's the reason for the drop in production for Wallace and the increase for Cotchery.

    Receivers don't make the quarterback, the quarterback makes the receiver, with a few rare exceptions, Calvin Johnson, possibly AJ Green and possibly Andre Johnson, that's about it folks, the rest of the WRs see inflated numbers because of the guy throwing the ball to them.

    Had Wallace gone to the Patriots, Saints, Broncos, etc or any team with a top 10 quarterback his numbers would be similar to what he had last year with Ben. At some point, Steeler fans will begin to realize just how darn good Ben really is regardless of his style of play.

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    I watched a few Miami games though and Wallace is dropping passes left and right. Fans are starting to call him butterfingers.

    Wallace is being paid to make the QB better IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    I watched a few Miami games though and Wallace is dropping passes left and right. Fans are starting to call him butterfingers.

    Wallace is being paid to make the QB better IMO.
    Last week, NFL Network had a whole segment of Wallace's drops in Miami and how he may be the biggest FA bust of the past off season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Last week, NFL Network had a whole segment of Wallace's drops in Miami and how he may be the biggest FA bust of the past off season.
    And all this past off-season I kept hearing about how the Dolphins landed the biggest free-agent prize. What a difference six months makes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBR96A View Post
    And all this past off-season I kept hearing about how the Dolphins landed the biggest free-agent prize. What a difference six months makes.
    I know my vote is worthless, but I take Cotchery in the Red Zone every time over Wallace. He's just a better receiver in traffic, bar none. Who would you rather have? some glory boy or some guy who is willing to fight for it. I take the hungry fighter every time. Not the guy with his hand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    Wallace's decreased numbers and Cotchery's increased numbers are all the direct result of the quarterback with whom each player is playing.
    It's also a direct result of the type of WR you're dealing with and what type of plays are being called (For a change, this isn't a knock on Haley - it's just the facts). Wallace needs both a QB with a strong arm AND an agressive OC like Bruce Arians because his best gift is speed and tracking the deep ball. BA was more than willing to take advantage of that.

    Haley's assignment upon arrival was to keep Ben upright... so, he called for more quick-hitters, which were not really MW's thing.

    Cotch is a superior possession WR to Wallace and will make more impressive 5-15 yard catches than MW...

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    But, but Brown was only good because Wallace stretched the defense....
    I also agree on Cotch over Sanders.

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