"Coach in the no huddle ... is it all Ben?" ... at post-game presser

[papillon]

Then give Haley at least some credit today...he didn't totally screw it up.

As far as Ben...who wants to trade him now?

Dee dub, why do you ask?

Pappy

[feltdizz]

Especially when the QB was calling the game most of the time in the no huddle and then the OC goes all "EGO" and starts calling plays which disrupt the flow of the offense. If Heath Miller says "BEN" called a great game, you better believe it was "BEN" that called the great game and not Haley.
[URL]http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/11/heath-miller-says-ben-roethlisberger-called-a-great-game-in-win-over-the-lions/[/URL]

As Steel Life said above, this offense was rolling until Haley started exclusively calling plays. So yeah, I still don't like Haley.

We have no idea if all of bens plays worked and all of Haleys plays didnt. The fakebubble screen was a good call. The TD brown dropped was a good call. The 4th down play to Bell was good as well as the Will Johnson TD.

I'm not a Haley fan but this its getting old bashing the OC's all the time.

[thor75]

Not a lot of hate for Haley, but my guess is the sorry OL and Ben's recalcitrance has hampered Haley from trying to be any more creative.
With absolutely no running game, I thought it was a huge positive that there was actually a few great throws to RBs. Hope we see more, especially to Bell, who can make plays.

Bell, Dwyer, and Will Johnson had some nice plays out of the backfield today on passes. That was good to see, especially the TD to Johnson after the red zone troubles running the ball.

[SteelBuckeye]

Not a lot of hate for Haley, but my guess is the sorry OL and Ben's recalcitrance has hampered Haley from trying to be any more creative.
With absolutely no running game, I thought it was a huge positive that there was actually a few great throws to RBs. Hope we see more, especially to Bell, who can make plays.

Yeah, and Ben called those plays. Not Haley. So maybe it's "Haley's EGO" holding us back rather than "Ben's racalcitrance".

[SteelBuckeye]

We have no idea if all of bens plays worked and all of Haleys plays didnt. The fakebubble screen was a good call. The TD brown dropped was a good call. The 4th down play to Bell was good as well as the Will Johnson TD.

I'm not a Haley fan but this its getting old bashing the OC's all the time.

I'm not saying "all" of Ben's plays worked and "all" of Haley's plays failed. What I will say is that after we scored two touchdowns in the no huddle, we went to a slower, huddled offense ... the offense bogged down. Now, if we were in a huddle at that time, "I" would infer that Haley was making all/a majority of the calls. I'm not one to hide behind anything, so I'm going to say it flat out .. for "myself" I hate Haley as an our OC. That has nothing to do with any ArtII conspiracy theories etc. I just don't think the dude has a killer instinct; he's too passive. And I think that Ben called the majority of the game when we were scoring points (btw, so does Heath).

[feltdizz]

Yeah, and Ben called those plays. Not Haley. So maybe it's "Haley's EGO" holding us back rather than "Ben's racalcitrance".

How do you know Ben called those plays?

[Steelhere10]

How do you know Ben called those plays?

Because of Heath quote, saying Ben called a good game.

[SteelBuckeye]

Because of Heath quote, saying Ben called a good game.

Right Steelhere ... and that quote was supplied in the link I posted ... but, I guess Heath is wrong.

[pfelix73]

I still don't like not having a FB in there. They put Johnson in there at the end, and he ended up scoring a TD. There were plays where the hole Bell tried running into closed so fast he had no options. IF he had Johnson leading the way, there were a few plays where he could have bounced outside for yardage.... that's one of my only beefs with Haley..

[SteelBuckeye]

I still don't like not having a FB in there. They put Johnson in there at the end, and he ended up scoring a TD. There were plays where the hole Bell tried running into closed so fast he had no options. IF he had Johnson leading the way, there were a few plays where he could have bounced outside for yardage.... that's one of my only beefs with Haley..

Actually, as much as I dislike Haley, that wasn't his fault ...that's one of the drawbacks of the no huddle ... they can't substitute and neither can we .. that's why we couldn't bring Johnson in for a lot of the running plays ... given the success of the no huddle, it's a trade of that worked out pretty well