Jarvis Jones

[steelz09]

Name an LB who can cover the monster TEs of today, let alone WRs. Give me some names. If you come up with five I will be very surprised. And I mean five legitimate names, not bullshyte.

I could name some that are better than Timmons but that wasn't my point. My comment was in response to Ovi's.... about Timmons running with a WR in training camp.

[Shoe]

Guys,
If you are not concerned, then you are ignoring a lot of signs. The only sign that he'll be a good player, is his production in college. He is slow, as evidenced by producing the slowest 40 time in memory for a 1st round LB. So (1), he is slow. He is also, by his own admission, not strong enough (2). And the last thing of course being, he was a non-factor, actually playing in the league in question (the NFL). Remember also, he was supposed to be plug-and-play ready. Even if he ended up not being so, you would certainly expect him to have flashes of success (i.e. a few sacks?)

I'm not writing him off yet, but I am concerned. How can you not be?

[steelz09]

Guys,
If you are not concerned, then you are ignoring a lot of signs. The only sign that he'll be a good player, is his production in college. He is slow, as evidenced by producing the slowest 40 time in memory for a 1st round LB. So (1), he is slow. He is also, by his own admission, not strong enough (2). And the last thing of course being, he was a non-factor, actually playing in the league in question (the NFL). Remember also, he was supposed to be plug-and-play ready. Even if he ended up not being so, you would certainly expect him to have flashes of success (i.e. a few sacks?)

I'm not writing him off yet, but I am concerned. How can you not be?

I'm not at all concerned. I think he is going to be a playermaker for us. He has a knack for being around the ball and natural instincts and thats something you can't teach and something for important than some stupid 40 time in shorts.

Strength is a non-issue.... That is the easiest to fix. Timmons was the same way.

[SteelCrazy]

1. If a LB has to run 40 yards for any reason, something went totally wrong anyways.

2. Like Steelz said, strength can easily be fixed.

3. Plug n play ready in a very complex system like LeBeau's is never going to happen.

I sincerely believe he can produce at this level by hitting the gym and studying the playbook. He's a natural athlete and you can easily see that by watching him play.

[Shoe]

If that is the case, why aren't we drafting Aaron Donald, putting him in the weight room, and let him plug the middle (on 1st & 2nd) and rush the passer (on 3rd)? You know the reason why... because it isn't as "easy" as getting a guy on a bench press. Many people get stronger, and lose speed. For Jones, that would be a disaster.

[birtikidis]

wasn't james harrison really slow coming out of college? wasn't he too small? wasn't he too weak? didn't he only have one move? how'd that work out?

[Shoe]

wasn't james harrison really slow coming out of college? wasn't he too small? wasn't he too weak? didn't he only have one move? how'd that work out?

I seriously DOUBT James Harrison was ever considered weak.

[steelz09]

If that is the case, why aren't we drafting Aaron Donald, putting him in the weight room, and let him plug the middle (on 1st & 2nd) and rush the passer (on 3rd)? You know the reason why... because it isn't as "easy" as getting a guy on a bench press. Many people get stronger, and lose speed. For Jones, that would be a disaster.

I don't see why your associating gaining strength and losing speed. I dropped 25 pounds and was stronger than I was when I was heavier. If you bulk up.. then yes, you might get a bit slower but not necessarily. It depends...

I don't see how JJ gaining strength will make him slower. In fact, I think he could add a bit more bulk as well without losing speed. He has the frame to easily carry 10 more pounds of lean muscle. He's taller than most think: 6'2.

[Shawn]

I'm not at all concerned. I think he is going to be a playermaker for us. He has a knack for being around the ball and natural instincts and thats something you can't teach and something for important than some stupid 40 time in shorts.

Strength is a non-issue.... That is the easiest to fix. Timmons was the same way.

I agree...not really worried about him.

[DBR96A]

Troy Polamalu was a non-factor in his rookie season.