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Originally Posted by Slapstick
+1 Sensibly and logically stated.
And, the shutdown is impacting me and family members.
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Flip --- thanks for this. This is full of sensibility and insight, shows the need for circumspection and collaboraborative resolve instead of the damaging extreme polarization and its bitter results.
Originally Posted by flippy
Stop mixing politics and sports for god's sake.
Sorry but i have zero zero zero zero zero respect for people who stop supporting their team because ofg some political agenda ****. I couldn't care less if the Rooneys were communists, liberals or what ever political **** there is out there.
Way too often politics has ruined sports. Just ask all those athletes who couldn't compete in the olympis cause of all that political crap.
Actually the most beautiful thing about sports is that it brings together people no matter what they believe in or what politics they favor.
I've got to laugh about the number of people on this board who think they are informed about this govt shutdown, but are merely spewing what the liberal media are putting out there. The truth is, it isn't just the fault of the Republicans--it's them, AND the democrats, AND the President. J, sorry for what you're going through. Too bad you can't count on your government to help you.
Here's a good article on the matter:
Posted date October 5, 2013 - 10:15pm Updated October 6, 2013 - 10:44am
Column: Blame 'em all for shutdown
By SHERMAN FREDERICK
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Here’s a good motto to guide you through normal American politics:
“Lord, give me coffee to change the things I can change, and give me wine to accept the things I can’t.”
After last week, I wouldn’t choose to live by this corrupted version of the serenity prayer. I’d end up a raging alcoholic.
The government of the most powerful nation in the world shut down for no good reason as Republicans and Democrats twerked themselves into a partisan frenzy. The spectacle served no useful purpose other than to demonstrate the vacuum in leadership that exists first and primarily with President Barack Obama and secondarily with figures such as Sens. Ted Cruz and Harry Reid.
Perhaps we have become an “ineptrocracy,” which is defined in the Urban Dictionary as “a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing.”
Let’s start with the GOP. What a mess. Yes, a good many Republicans were elected to slow, stop or cut federal spending. I get that. In fact, I support that. But adopting a strategy with no end-game resulted in needless confrontation. They’re trying to draw an inside straight but betting like they hold a full house. It makes no sense.
If this is what a Tea Party-guided government looks like, count me out. I’m not interested in bumper sticker retorts. I’m interested in better leadership and better government.
Then there’s Reid, the majority leader. Don’t get me started on Harry Reid. First, he talked President Obama out of negotiating with Republicans. Reid told Obama that if the president dared to talk with Republicans, he would not attend the meeting.
Reid then had a second chance to avert a shutdown, provided he’d agree to a one-year delay of the implementation of Obamacare and an end to the medical device tax. That deal would have been best for the country. But being the jackass he is, Reid gave it his standard partisan “nyet.” No leadership here. Move along.
Then there’s Obama, perhaps the worst president since, I don’t know, you pick one.
Jimmy Carter’s too easy. Franklin Pierce, maybe?
Obama is most responsible for Washington’s failures because he is the president. He is the leader.
Throughout his tenure, he has divided Americans by politics, skin color and bank account. Instead of being a leader who lifts us out of our partisanship — the kind of leader he promised to be during the 2008 campaign — Obama draws smaller and smaller circles around himself.
Our president negotiated with terrorists in Iran. He acquiesced to the Russians on Syria. And while our government spun closer to shutdown, Obama played golf like a Florida retiree — 17 rounds since July 4. Nothing against golf, but in that span of time, he did exactly nothing — nada — to bring together the saner political forces and find a solution.
That’s not leadership. That’s not even showing up.
And I’m not the only one to call out the president for this leadership failure. Bob Woodward of The Washington Post correctly points out that if something bad happens to the economy as a result of the shutdown, the fault will be placed “on the president’s head.”
“He’s got to lead,” Woodward says. “He’s got to talk. And the absence of discussion here, I think, is (a) baffling element.”
I wouldn’t call it “baffling.” I’d call it par for the course.
Just a couple of weeks ago, our president warned that a government shutdown could cause an economic collapse for America and the world. If he believed that, why didn’t he make an effort to prevent it? Why golf? Why not talk with Republicans, who are his fellow Americans? Instead, he opted to guarantee a shutdown.
So did the Republicans. And so did Harry Reid.
I blame ’em all.
Sherman Frederick, former publisher of the Las Vegas Review-Journal and member of the Nevada Newspaper Hall of Fame, writes a column for Stephens Media. Read his blog at www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/sherman-frederick.
.and this is why I love The Daily Show... sure they lean to the left but they expose all sides with great jokes.
Originally Posted by flippy
I'm confused, help me out here. I thought the basic problem was that there was too much government dependency. Is it only bad when *other* people get government "help"?
Originally Posted by BradshawsHairdresser
We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!
HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
true... but you also can't take out a loan with the bank and then tell them you will only pay if they do XYZ.
Originally Posted by Big J
Some voters remind me of parents who have 2 kids and favor one over the other. The favorite son asks to use the car and it's no problem, no questions asked even if the kid stays stay out all night and brings the car back with a few dents and an empty tank. The other kids asked to take the care out and it's
Where are you going?
Why are you going?
Why can't your friends drive?
Get a second job?
Fill up the tank and make the next car payment
be home by 7:30 and fix those dents!
This take the ball and go home if you don't play by my rules is killing the country. Playing with peoples lives? Debts not being paid... I'm sorry but you have the Tea Party to blame for this one. We've never had this problem until Obama got in office we know damn well why it's happening and it's not because we are broke. We are far from it but a few people are playing politics with the OP's life and he is too blind to see it's not Obama causing this problem. The House won't hold a vote because they know it will pass.
The Tea Party isn't responsible for the country being the way it is but they are responsible for this shut down.
Originally Posted by Ernie
..and what shape is the country in? Honestly.. things could be better but they could be much worse. If we scaled back our military budget we would be fine. Sure there is waste in places and we could always scale other programs back but they are minimal when you look at our military budget. I have a hard time understanding how Healthcare is the beast in the room. What type of nation are we if treating our own is viewed as a negative?
Double round of serious slow claps for SASF and Flippy.
These same people will say Gov't doesn't create jobs.. then turn around and ask why Obama isn't creating jobs.
Originally Posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan