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  1. #31
    If you don't like this magic carpet ride, make like a tree and get outta here lol.

  2. #32
    Look. For me, there are two problems with this shutdown:

    1) Regardless of anything else, the ACA is a law. It was passed by the House, the Senate, signed by the President and scrutinized by the conservative majority Supreme Court. It passed every Constitutional test. The checks and balanced were checked and balanced.

    2) Using the livelihoods of innocent people as leverage to get your way is a gigantic crock.

    Agree or disagree, like or dislike, it's a law and screwing over people who happen to work for our government is shameful.

  3. #33
    You are clearly one of his die hard supporters. When you don't have the money to pay your car payment you don't go get a loan on some vacation property that you know good and well you can't pay for. The spending has to stop. This country is getting to the point where there are more people with their hands than those going to work. An economy can't thrive like that.

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    well you probably either voted for Obama or for Romney. Either way you made your bed. All these people that complained shoulda voted for Ron Paul like I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big J View Post
    You are clearly one of his die hard supporters. When you don't have the money to pay your car payment you don't go get a loan on some vacation property that you know good and well you can't pay for. The spending has to stop. This country is getting to the point where there are more people with their hands than those going to work. An economy can't thrive like that.
    Too bad your paycheck has to be sacrificed, along with thousands of others, to accomplish what some are looking to accomplish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big J View Post
    You are clearly one of his die hard supporters. When you don't have the money to pay your car payment you don't go get a loan on some vacation property that you know good and well you can't pay for. The spending has to stop. This country is getting to the point where there are more people with their hands than those going to work. An economy can't thrive like that.
    You could argue that Regan's supply side economics is one of the biggest drivers of the current divide between the wealthy and poor which is the ultimate crux of most of the problems the gov't is currently dealing with. For the super rich, they got richer, but the gov't kinda screwed the pooch over the last 20-30 years by getting too far out of the way of private business. The whole economy is driven by consumer spending and people at the bottom of the economic chain spend everything to get by. And the big problem, is so many people are now at the bottom. There's no middle class any longer. And there's not enough to drive the consumerism of the economy and the gov't is now trying to address.

    Every change has opposition. This is no different in that regard. But I think you can argue that the ACA is more fundamental and serves a more basic need than most gov't programs. I'm a proponent of cutting the federal gov't's involvement in just about everything from Education to Social Security to Defense to the IRS and on and on. Talk about wasting money. 90% of gov't jobs are a complete and utter waste of taxpayer dollars. Most of those things should be privatized as much as possible. But I do think the gov't is responsible to ensure people's basic freedom and rights. We should collectively provide a safety net for people that face unfortunate circumstance. We wouldn't need the gov't to provide this backstop is people had more character. It would take private individuals helping one another out. But they generally don't. They just put their heads in the sand and pretend not to see the world suffering so it ends up costing us all in the end. But that's fine as far as healthcare goes. I don't think 10s of thousands of people each year in the US should have to declare bankruptcy because of a catasrtophic circumstance. Is the ACA all messed up and too complicated? Absolutely. But it's a step in the right direction as a collective society. The political shenanigans around the ACA are ridonkulous. And don't be fooled into thinking the current shutdown has anything to do with the ACA. It's all about distracting us from the debt ceiling.

    Sorry that a handful of republicans in the house are causing problems for you individually. But the reality is we really should be looking at everything in gov't and cutting most of it so we can support what's absolutely important. I'd recommend going and getting a private sector job. Or if you have the interest and capability, work for yourself. Create your own opportunity.

    In the flippy world, I live where socialism and conservatism intersect. We can't be free until everyone is free. We can't be secure until everyone feels secure. The economy will always fundamentally break down and ebb and flow until everyone is rich.

    If you really want the gov't to get in line, make it unnecessary by your own personal actions. Start a charity. Give money to those in need. Volunteer. Encourage others. The only reason gov't exists in the first place is we're collectively not charitable enough as individuals. And it will take individuals to make that happen. The decisions you make for yourself have a ripple effect on everyone around you. Tough times sometimes happen so we're forced to take a harder look at ourselves. They are gentle reminders. Really, try not to get distracted and miss what's really going on.

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Big J View Post
    You are clearly one of his die hard supporters. When you don't have the money to pay your car payment you don't go get a loan on some vacation property that you know good and well you can't pay for. The spending has to stop. This country is getting to the point where there are more people with their hands than those going to work. An economy can't thrive like that.
    It's comments like that that are a big part of the problem in this country. Respect for the rule of law is not the same as being a fanboi of this politician or that.

    Look, I get it you don't like Obama, the ACA, Pelosi, or anything to do with them. That's cool. You want things to be different - then 'king run for office and get them changed. You don't want to do that? Well, that's cool too - go support someone who does. Get enough people elected to change the law. That's the way our government is supposed to work. Couldn't get enough votes this last election cycle? Try harder, maybe next time you will.

    Threatening to throw millions of people out of work, sending the country back into a recession or even a depression, because you don't believe you have to accept the results of the democratic process - that is not how our government is supposed to work.

    Let me ask you a question - do you think the words "anarchy", "treason", or "un-American" would have been appropriate to apply to the Kenyan-Muslim-woshipping, Pelosi-lickin' liberals if they had taken down the government and defaulted on our national debt because they didn't get their way on gun control, abortion, gay rights, and all that other squishy icky stuff they always bleat on about? How would that have been different from what the Tea Party faction in the House is doing now?

    Look, people are going to get very sick, some will probably DIE that wouldn't have otherwise because this government is shut down. Babies are going hungry now that wouldn't have otherwise because government support for poor Women/Infants/Children is shut down. Small business owners are losing money. You think THAT is the American way, these people are unfortunate sacrifices, but gotta do it anyway for the bigger cause?

    You don't like the laws of this nation. Cool. You think this shut-down of the government and accepting default is a legitimate way to get your way to get the laws changed? Let me ask you another question - what if that happens and it doesn't work - those mule-headed Obamanation zombies still don't change the laws? What *else* would you consider acceptable to get the laws changed? Do you believe there is a line that can't be crossed? Where is that? Or is there nothing out of bounds in the struggle to get us all to where YOU think everything is right? What if your neighbor doesn't agree with you?


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    Sorry to hear about your troubles J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big J View Post
    My fellow Steeler fans, I thought I'd never say this but today I stopped supporting the Steelers forever. After being a fan for 37 years and spending god only knows how much money on tickets and team merchandise. I was looking forward to taking my son to his first game but today I found out that the owner of the team supports Obamacare. I was able to get by the fact that he supported the man for president. To each their own but now after being placed on furlough status and my family having to suffer in order for the hand outs to continue to those that won't work breaks the camels back. May this team be cursed and never win another game.
    Hilarious. Obama isn't the one responsible for the government shutdown. The sleeper cell of brain dead tea party republicans are to blame. If you can find it in yourself to stop supporting the team because the Rooney's support obamacare good riddance.

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    It's amazing to me how far this country has fallen away from it's founding principles...
    even to the extent that the "Tea Party" gets blamed by many as the reason why the country is in the shape it's in. I'm just glad that you folks are still in the minority for the time being.

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