Page 4 of 10 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 94

Thread: Good read Cowher V's Tomlin

  1. #31
    Legend
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    13,459
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Sorry but totally disagree. We take Def Tackles who usually made their money in college attacking through a one gap. We then "convert" them to "occupy blockers" to keep the LBs clean. We also take DEs who have good pass rushing credentials and "convert" them to OLB and add pass coverage responsibilities.

    LeBeau's defense does not take them from college and put them in familiar positions.
    ...and thr reason WRs look good is because they aren't asked to be anything but a WR. We draft OL and ask them to learn all of the positions on the OL and play musical chairs and wonder why our OL stinks.

  2. #32
    Administrator steelz09's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Charleston, SC
    Posts
    3,566
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Was half the league playing the 3-4 looking for players that we usually had first dibs on when Gildon and Porter were developed? I would not count Emmons or Haggans as success stories.

    The competition to find the undersized DEs to play 3-4 OLB is much greater than in the 90s.
    Your right. The 3-4 defense is a proven failure....lol.

    There are plenty of teams in the NFL that run a 3-4 and don't need to spend 1st rounders on their NT, DE and LBers....Maybe we just can't develop any of these guys like we used to. That "development" of lack thereof seems to be a common problem in that Tomlin-era. I'm sure Colbert suddenly forgot how to draft when Tomlin got hired.

  3. #33
    Administrator steelz09's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Charleston, SC
    Posts
    3,566
    Quote Originally Posted by feltdizz View Post
    ...and thr reason WRs look good is because they aren't asked to be anything but a WR. We draft OL and ask them to learn all of the positions on the OL and play musical chairs and wonder why our OL stinks.
    Your right about the o-line. I hate how Tomlin makes some of these guys learn all of these o-line positions when they haven't excelled at their primary position first.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You can't be this obtuse. Cowher lost players to FAs. Not because he lost Noll's players.
    I'm not the one being obtuse here...

    Tomlin had more players, Cowher had fewer, it doesn't matter...

    If it's just coincidence that Tomlin his heading into a trough at about the same time Cowher did during his Steelers tenure, then so be it...

    I just don't believe that...

  5. #35
    Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,997
    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    Sorry but totally disagree. We take Def Tackles who usually made their money in college attacking through a one gap. We then "convert" them to "occupy blockers" to keep the LBs clean. We also take DEs who have good pass rushing credentials and "convert" them to OLB and add pass coverage responsibilities.

    LeBeau's defense does not take them from college and put them in familiar positions.

    Really need to start a new tune Oviedo. JJ was drafted and is playing the exact position he learned in college. Of course, you will argue he is being asked to do more things than rush the passer. Guess what, any player drafted is asked to do more in the pros than college. A pro team can only field 53 players and don't have the luxury of specialists at every position. Look how many people ripped DeMarcus Ware for being 'one dimensional' and not a complete player.

  6. #36
    Did I just read the word obtuse on a Steelers message board? This place is true class.

  7. #37
    Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    3,232
    Quote Originally Posted by birtikidis View Post
    Eerily similar to losing in the afccg to harbaugh. Or letting a very young Tom Brady come in for an injured Drew Bledsoe to beat you at home. Cowher had a number of issues. The afc championship game was his nightmare. Regardless of talent.
    .................



    $$

  8. #38
    Nice try Defeo, but sorry not buying it. What is missing is the sense of progress and growth Cowher brought in from day 1. Don't know why this goes unnoticed when BC is discussed.

    The only similarity between the two is it was time for a coaching change and it was made. That's it.

    VADER has spelled it out exactly the way it was in early Cowher.

    So any comparisons of two totally different set of circumstances is absurd. Each coach has to be rated on exactly what has occurred during his tenure. With Cowher IMO it was steady continuous change in every phase of the game hopefully to achieve excellence. Now there does not seem to be this sense of progress. Although that is not a given yet.

    It is possible that this current roster is actually stronger and loaded with more first rate players than the team Cowher inherited.[despite the loss of over a half dozen all pros the past few years] However, that is on paper. Maybe that is the problem. This team could very well be "paper champs" and that usually does not get it. Let's see if Tomlin can get this team off the paper and on the field.

    About the only thing in the article that was a fact is Defeo said: "Hey, the Steelers are 2-9 in their last 11 games, dating back to Week 10 of 2012. They've been behind by two scores or more in 11 of their last 15 games."

    This does not sound like progress. Let's see if Tomlin can turn this around.

  9. #39
    Legend papillon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Under your bed
    Posts
    7,096
    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    Did I just read the word obtuse on a Steelers message board? This place is true class.
    No to mention the fact that this board has been rhadamanthine in its assessment of Colbert and the coaching staff. Just sayin...

    Pappy


    1.15) Ryan Shazier - ILB/OLB
    2.46) Stephon Tuitt - DE
    3.97) Dri Archer - RB
    4.118 ) Martavis Bryant - WR
    5.157) Shaquille Richardson - CB
    6.173) Wesley Johnson - OT
    6.192) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB
    7.215) Daniel McCullers - DT
    7.230) Rob Blanchflower - TE

    "Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it." -- Chuck Noll

  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by papillon View Post
    No to mention the fact that this board has been rhadamanthine in its assessment of Colbert and the coaching staff. Just sayin...

    Pappy
    At the risk of being ob- ob-2's something or other[does that have something to do with geomety]

    Anyway, I did not think that rhad thing was a real word. I thought you just made it up. It's real all right, but I got a hunch it wont catch on.

    How is that spelled anyhow? Is it E-I-E-I-O

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •