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    Bad Word's defense and the salary cap

    Quick question for the board. I've been thinking about the point that is made again and again regarding our defense and how guys need to be here two or three years before they can start in our D. I wonder if such a scheme doesn't hurt us in the long run because it creates an intense pressure for the team to keep vets on D.

    In a salary cap era, you need to be able to cut ties and move on at the appropriate time. But requiring two years 'in the funnel' for a replacement is going to make personeel moves difficult.

    So I guess I'm interested in what others say about this. Does the complex defense cause us to overpay on our vet contracts?
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    I don't think it's a problem so long as you're constantly bringing in the right talent and developing them. Where it does become a problem is when you draft a lot of guys that don't pan out.

    I also think it's a big exaggerated to say it takes 2-3 years to learn our system vs no time to learn another team's system. I'd say it's probably a year to integrate a player in any system. In general, I think it's a luxury not to have to press rookies into action immediately. It's good to have talented and entrenched starters. Great players will work their way into the mix naturally. Our problem is we haven't brought in a lot of great players recently.

    Bad teams have to scramble to work new guys into the mix right away. And it feels like we're in that position right now trying to work new guys in. And I don't see JJ, Shark, and Williams performing so badly that it's hurting us. Seems we might have gotten some talented players in those 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippy View Post
    I don't think it's a problem so long as you're constantly bringing in the right talent and developing them. Where it does become a problem is when you draft a lot of guys that don't pan out.

    I also think it's a big exaggerated to say it takes 2-3 years to learn our system vs no time to learn another team's system. I'd say it's probably a year to integrate a player in any system. In general, I think it's a luxury not to have to press rookies into action immediately. It's good to have talented and entrenched starters. Great players will work their way into the mix naturally. Our problem is we haven't brought in a lot of great players recently.

    Bad teams have to scramble to work new guys into the mix right away. And it feels like we're in that position right now trying to work new guys in. And I don't see JJ, Shark, and Williams performing so badly that it's hurting us. Seems we might have gotten some talented players in those 3.
    JJ, Shark and Williams are only playing because the cap situation got so bad the team had no choice but to make major cuts over the past two years. They are not playing because the coach wants them on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oviedo View Post
    JJ, Shark and Williams are only playing because the cap situation got so bad the team had no choice but to make major cuts over the past two years. They are not playing because the coach wants them on the field.
    On the broadcast last night, they quoted LeBeau as saying he couldn't believe players like Kion Wilson and Vince Williams had even made the team.

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    When Dom Capers ran this defense he got younger players to play ASAP in limited roles and then, usually in year two, they would start.

    LeBeau just relies on his vets, doesn't get young players ready, and their first contract is usually a waste except for their last season.

    Face it, he's old, can't put in the same hours that he used to. The 3-4 ZB also isn't the only game in town anymore. More teams do it? More film to watch and break it.

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    I think the Steelers have been living on past glory for too long. They think because they won it all in 2008 that they'll always be right and that they'll never have to change. The truth of the matter is no one gives a **** about 2008 anymore.

    The Packers are a team with a lot of tradition, but they left that tradition behind to be a better team in the here and now. The Steelers need to catch up.

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    I wish we would go back to 2008.

    Because this 1976 crap ain't cutting it.

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    I'm missing where Lebeau holds young players back. Polamalu played in his 2nd year. Woodley played in his 1st. Timmons had to wait a bit (at least a year, if I recall). Jarvis is already playing. Keisel/Ike/McLendon were developmental. Hood seemed to sit--and we now can see why.

    What talent did we excessively sit? Where are the talents that linger on our bench, past or present? What players have escaped DLs regime, to break out at another place? I'm not asking rhetorically... I really don't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    I'm missing where Lebeau holds young players back. Polamalu played in his 2nd year. Woodley played in his 1st. Timmons had to wait a bit (at least a year, if I recall). Jarvis is already playing. Keisel/Ike/McLendon were developmental. Hood seemed to sit--and we now can see why.

    What talent did we excessively sit? Where are the talents that linger on our bench, past or present? What players have escaped DLs regime, to break out at another place? I'm not asking rhetorically... I really don't see it.
    Agree with the Shoe. It's exasperating listening to repeated claims that DL will not play rookies or young players. THere are plenty of examples of guys getting on the field yr 1 or 2. They play when DL believes they are ready to play, and not before. The Fans base player readiness on college hype or some other random idea, who knows.
    Let me ask, if JHarrison is still on the team do you sit him for JJ? Anyone that believes he deserves to would be lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post
    Agree with the Shoe. It's exasperating listening to repeated claims that DL will not play rookies or young players. THere are plenty of examples of guys getting on the field yr 1 or 2. They play when DL believes they are ready to play, and not before. The Fans base player readiness on college hype or some other random idea, who knows.
    Let me ask, if JHarrison is still on the team do you sit him for JJ? Anyone that believes he deserves to would be lying.
    I'd like to make a small change to what you said NC. I think DL let's a guy on the field when he believes they are BETTER than anyone else for a certain situation. Does anyone here believe that Wilson or Williams are better and make more plays and less mistakes than Larry Foote? Take a look at Jarvis Jones, who has made a few great plays, and tell me he also hasn't made a ton of rookie mistakes. A lot of you guys see other teams play rookies and see highlights of those rookies and assume they are playinig great. You don't seem to notice the vulnerabilities that these same rookies bring to the table.

    It always amazes me that people on this board think they have a clue as to what LeBeau does and doesn't do. They think he doesn't make any adjustments to his game plan yet players say he constantly changes things. I think I'll believe the players and former players on how good DL is and disregard the bulletin board "experts".
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