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    I agree 100% with his assessment of our receivers.

    Just not the fix. Ocho is a joko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRsAreEssential View Post
    Shoe,

    If you watched any of Ochocinco's highlights or plays with New England, it was clear that his athleticism was still there and his game was still there. The Patriots were just comfortable with their personnel and decided, coming off the short post-lockout training camp, that he wasn't really needed. They stuck with Gronkowski and Hernandez as the main targets and then had the little munchkins running timing patterns underneath for Brady. It was working and they didn't really feel the need to insert Ochocinco.

    But the problem wasn't that he lacked game.

    Furthermore, all reports coming out of Miami last year were that he was as quick as ever and that he was looking terrific before he was released. He also worked out with Antonio Brown, Andre Johnson, and other receivers over the spring and summer and apparently shined.

    So, his game and his talent are still there. He is the best option right now for saving the season. You can't go on having the worst WR corps in the league like this. Roethlisberger needs a receiver that he can trust to make a play when his throws aren't pinpoint accurate and perfect. He does not have that with guys who are only 5-10/5-9.
    Dude.... we don't have anywhere close to the worst WRs in the league. We might have the worst offense in the league (besides Jacksonville) though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRsAreEssential View Post
    Shoe,

    If you watched any of Ochocinco's highlights or plays with New England, it was clear that his athleticism was still there and his game was still there. The Patriots were just comfortable with their personnel and decided, coming off the short post-lockout training camp, that he wasn't really needed. They stuck with Gronkowski and Hernandez as the main targets and then had the little munchkins running timing patterns underneath for Brady. It was working and they didn't really feel the need to insert Ochocinco.

    But the problem wasn't that he lacked game.

    Furthermore, all reports coming out of Miami last year were that he was as quick as ever and that he was looking terrific before he was released. He also worked out with Antonio Brown, Andre Johnson, and other receivers over the spring and summer this year, and he apparently shined in the workouts.

    So, his game and his talent are still there. He is the best option right now for saving the season. You can't go on having the worst WR corps in the league like this. Roethlisberger needs a receiver that he can trust to make a play when his throws aren't pinpoint accurate and perfect. He does not have that with guys who are only 5-10/5-9. Ochocinco would help very much to that end.
    What do you mean the skill is still there? You are making huge assumptions. I'm dealing in facts. If he "looked terrific" in either place, they would've kept him. Teams aren't in the business of cutting terrific looking players. Teams aren't in the business of cutting starting caliber WRs. And starting caliber WRs don't sit and linger on the free-agent market (especially WRs with probably 700+ NFL receptions).

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    Dude.... we don't have anywhere close to the worst WRs in the league. We might have the worst offense in the league (besides Jacksonville) though.
    Besides Jacksonville, who can you even possibly put in the Steelers' class of wide receiver impotence?

    Please tell me. I watch the entire league and I don't see who even comes close. Every team except Jacksonville is noticeably above the Steelers in wide receiver talent.

    For instance, the Bengals have Green, Gresham, Eifert, Sanu, and #82. All 5 are more talented than Antonio Brown, the Steelers #1 target.

    The Chargers - just to take another random example - have Malcolm Floyd, Antonio Gates, Vincent Brown, and Titus Young. How does the Steeler wide receiver corps even compare to that, let alone what Cincinnati has?

    What Colbert has given Roethlisberger to work with is laughable. Worst WR corps in the NFL besides maybe Jacksonville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoe View Post
    What do you mean the skill is still there? You are making huge assumptions. I'm dealing in facts. If he "looked terrific" in either place, they would've kept him. Teams aren't in the business of cutting terrific looking players. Teams aren't in the business of cutting starting caliber WRs. And starting caliber WRs don't sit and linger on the free-agent market (especially WRs with probably 700+ NFL receptions).
    Ochocinco was released because of an off-field incident, not because his game was lacking.

    He is being blackballed by the league now for his attitude over the years. Everyone knows he can still play. Make no mistake about it. They're just sticking it to him for what they didn't like in his behavior during the past decade.

    Tony Gonzalez is 2-3 years older than Ochocinco and he is looking fabulous physically. He did great last year and is doing great again this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRsAreEssential View Post
    Besides Jacksonville, who can you even possibly put in the Steelers' class of wide receiver impotence?

    Please tell me. I watch the entire league and I don't see who even comes close. Every team except Jacksonville is noticeably above the Steelers in wide receiver talent.

    For instance, the Bengals have Green, Gresham, Eifert, Sanu, and #82. All 5 are more talented than Antonio Brown, the Steelers #1 target.

    The Chargers - just to take another random example - have Malcolm Floyd, Antonio Gates, Vincent Brown, and Titus Young. How does the Steeler wide receiver corps even compare to that, let alone what Cincinnati has?

    What Colbert has given Roethlisberger to work with is laughable. Worst WR corps in the NFL besides maybe Jacksonville.
    The Raiders and the Patriots to add 2 more to your list. Edleman (spelling?) is their #1 at the moment. That's almost as laughable as your recommendation of Ocho Cinco. I'm thinking the Rams are worse as well but I'd have to look up their depth chart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelz09 View Post
    The Raiders and the Patriots to add 2 more to your list. Edleman (spelling?) is their #1 at the moment. That's almost as laughable as your recommendation of Ocho Cinco. I'm thinking the Rams are worse as well but I'd have to look up their depth chart.

    I agree that the Patriots don't have anything, but they are expecting to get Gronkowski back, and besides, their passing system is clearly designed to de-emphasize the importance of talent by utilizing short timing routes non-stop. The Steelers don't run that kind of offense, so it is irrelevant for them.

    At best, the Steelers wide receiver corps is only 3rd or 4th worst in the league (at best).

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    I just want to know why I seen Redman instead of Wheaton split out in 5 man spreads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRsAreEssential View Post
    We have the worst wide receiving corps in the league. If you follow games around the NFL, you can see just how laughable our talent is at the wide receiver position. The Steelers are one of the only teams that can't afford their QB the luxury of throwing any jumpballs or back-shoulder throws or fade routes. Roethlisberger actually hasn't had those options since Burress left, which makes it scary to think of just how good Roethlisberger could have been in the last decade if he had had anything approximating a #1 receiver (which he never did).

    Boldin carried the Ravens through the playoffs by making catches in traffic with his solid frame and by catching jumpballs on the sidelines. Flacco could throw it high over the middle or simply in Boldin's vicinity down the sideline, and he would go up and make the plays. Roethlisberger has never had anything close to that luxury. He is throwing to midgets who are considerably smaller than all of the DBs they are going up against. Every throw Roethlisberger makes has to be perfect, in the chest, or it isn't being caught. Roethlisberger has no margin for error and no playmaking ability to rely on from the receivers. The talent that Colbert has provided him with is frankly a joke by NFL standards.

    There is a huge misconception out there that a) Big Ben holds the ball too long, and b) the offensive line is the problem. In reality, Ben has always held the ball because his receivers couldn't get open on initial routes. He has never had a standout receiver who could get open conventionally and who Ben could rely on to go and make a play in traffic. Never. In fact, Holmes was a sloppy route-runner and Wallace was a one-trick pony whose awkwardness and lack of adeptness with the hands were obvious. This is why he has held on to the ball - to allow his awkward, short, and slow receivers a chance to get open.

    The only solution to this season frankly is to sign Ochocinco. He still has all of the quickness and athleticism needed to be a great receiver. The NFL is just blackballing him for his attitude. But he could walk in to the Steelers this week and make a serious impact. He would easily be the most talented receiver on the roster. That isn't saying much frankly, but since Colbert was stupid and didn't draft a receiver in the early rounds the last couple years, that is the best option now.

    Go and sign Chad. He would change the season. Him and Roethlisberger would work magically just like Roethlisberger and Burress worked magically in the half-season they spent together in 2004 when they lit up the Browns, Patriots, and other teams.
    Agreed...I do like Derek Moye... he was great in preseason....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sword View Post
    Agreed...I do like Derek Moye... he was great in preseason....
    And, made a nice catch on a fade last night as well, he'll begin to see more time as he proves he can play at this level. It will be too late in all likelihood, but he's going to see the field, Brown, Cotchery and Sanders aren't going to be able to keep him on the bench all season.

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