Trade Ben, Start Landry Jones

[steelz09]

Trade Ben and get 2 first rounders and build for the future... around Landry Jones.

Ok... just kidding. Jones did look good on that first drive.

[7 UP]

Ive been tough on the kid. But he does look good tonight. Maybe we have a prospect here.

[Shawn]

Jones has the IT factor. Every week he looks better, throws great balls and is improving as a QB under center. When all is said and done, I believe he is the Steelers eventual starter.

[steelerkeylargo]

Jones has the IT factor. Every week he looks better, throws great balls and is improving as a QB under center. When all is said and done, I believe he is the Steelers eventual starter.

Actually that is what he doesn't have!!! He has all the tools.....just not that "gimmie the ball and lets win this f*&%$#r attitude"

[Captain Lemming]

Jones has the "INT" factor.

There fixed that for you Shawn.

[Dee Dub]

There fixed that for you Shawn.

As a four year starter at Oklahoma he didnt have the "INT" factor. 123 TD's to 52 int's shows me he actually had the "IT" factor.

[Captain Lemming]

As a four year starter at Oklahoma he didnt have the "INT" factor. 123 TD's to 52 int's shows me he actually had the "IT" factor.

After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

BOTTOMLINE
TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.

That was based on his college play.
That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

Some are talking future starter material?

I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".

[Dee Dub]

After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

BOTTOMLINE
TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.

That was based on his college play.
That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

Some are talking future starter material?

I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".

Well there it is there. This has to be true, right?

Thing is, his 4 years numbers dont reflect that he got rattled all that often. Last year alone he was nearly 3 to 1 TD's versus picks and was only sacked 13 times. And completed 66.1% of his passes. I like using my eyes more than my ears when evaluating a players ability. But that's just me.

SEASON	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	YPA	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	RAW QBR	ADJ QBR
2009	261	449	3198	58.1	7.12	67	26	14	12	130.8	43.0	51.0
2010	405	617	4718	65.6	7.65	86	38	12	19	146.3	63.7	70.6
2011	355	562	4463	63.2	7.94	64	29	15	10	141.6	72.5	73.7
2012	367	555	4267	66.1	7.69	76	30	11	13	144.6	75.0	80.7

[feltdizz]

After discussing the "pros" and "cons" scouting report say:

BOTTOMLINE
TheNFL-sized pocket passer can be decisive and flashes the accuracy topick apart defenses at the next level. However, his tendency to getrattled under pressure is a major issue. Also, when things start togo downhill, he lacks a short memory; his confidence is shaken. He isalso inconsistent in his reads and decision making.

That was based on his college play.
That is EXACTLY what we saw last night, first drive was EXACTLY the "good" in that evaluation. The rest of the night was the bad in that evaluation.

I hope I am wrong but you are not seeing just "a new system" or "rookie jitters" this is EXACTLY what evaluators saw in him in college. Compared to TYPICAL ROOKIE QBs (consider the no-name bum rooks we had in years past) he simply lacks consistent poise. Not just in games but through most of training camp.

The fact is you rarely see a QB "grow out" of "easily rattled" and "easily shaken confidence".

Confidence and swagger are something you have or you dont have.

Some are talking future starter material?

I am sorry but EVEN IF he can be a capable starter I do not like this tendency, since the same guy who is easily rattled in college is unlikely to ever win you a Superbowl.

Again I "hope" I am wrong but you cannot go "see this is what I mean see how great he is" after drive one (which started the thread) and follow with "the rest does not matter" when the game "good and bad" fits his anticipated profile to a "T".

Spot on... and this is coming from someone who loved the pick because it showed me we are at least willing to try to upgrade the QB position with a possible starter in the future vs a run first, hybrid black QB who we know damn well isn't going to make it past the last round of cuts.

I was at the game and what I saw was EXACTLY what I witnessed when watching him at OU. The kid is good.... he has all the tools but like I said earlier.. the kid is a bleeder.

Once he gets rattled he doesn't stop. Look at last night. Started out good.. got rattled on that 3rd down play and threw a HORRIBLE INT. Then he follows it up with a WTF was that INT.

I hope he can elevate his game but it's not like the kid is going to get reps in practice with the first team or play meaningful ball anytime soon so unless he goes and see's a specialist or meditates on Buddha I can't see this part of his game changing.

[feltdizz]

Slow down... he's a bleeder